Short Course Class

[eichkay]

Been a bit of talking about having a Short Course Truck Class, I run around in the night and talked to guy that i know are seriously looking at getting a SC10 and talked with existing traxxas slash guys and we come up with a general rule

Basics its going to be a:
• Super Stock Class Motor (19turn or 10.5BL max, can run 13.5 or 17.5 etc)
• ShortCourse market wheels only

I also had a good look at the specs between the trucks and i think its a rather close matchup in theory , the higher center of gravity might be the biggest issue for the traxxas over the SC10.

Specs ----- SC10 vs Slash
Wheelbase 327 ---- 335
Width ----- 296 ---- same
Length ---- 550 ---- 568
Weight ---- 2080 -- 2160

[obzELiTe]

i think the tire choice has to be severely limited.

[eichkay]

i think the tire choice has to be severely limited.

so do i , thus why Short Course wheels only..

[KingBob]

One of the slash's last night had buggy wheels/tyres on. Probably for more grip, ut thats the point, they're meant to slide all over the place. Definitely SC wheels/tyres only.

[SuperRoo]

I recon it would be better to keep in the same guidelines as the rules for ROAR for a couple of reasons.
1) Keep it cheap enough for the younger generation to afford to run the class.
2) If we run stock motor spec's we can run the class mixed in with other similar classes when numbers are down.

ROAR rules also give suggestions to tyre specs but the biggest problem for those of us that shop in Aust is if High Expense Imports will get and keep supply of the tyres.

This should be a FUN class.

ROAR provisional rules can be found here (http://www.roarracing.com/downloads/2009_ROAR_SCT_Provisional_Class_Rules.pdf)

The only other thing that might be fun for the class is to nominate a base colour for those of us that buy aftermarket bodies or a SC10. This might also keep the class colorful.

I know we'll have to fight MikChow for the hot fluro pink though.

[BIG PETE]

count me in guys

[SuperRoo]

count me in guys


For the hot pink body??? ;)

[BIG PETE]

was thinking more along the lines of lime green and black mate

[eichkay]

I recon it would be better to keep in the same guidelines as the rules for ROAR for a couple of reasons.
1) Keep it cheap enough for the younger generation to afford to run the class.
2) If we run stock motor spec's we can run the class mixed in with other similar classes when numbers are down.

ROAR rules also give suggestions to tyre specs but the biggest problem for those of us that shop in Aust is if High Expense Imports will get and keep supply of the tyres.

This should be a FUN class.

ROAR provisional rules can be found here (http://www.roarracing.com/downloads/2009_ROAR_SCT_Provisional_Class_Rules.pdf)

The only other thing that might be fun for the class is to nominate a base colour for those of us that buy aftermarket bodies or a SC10. This might also keep the class colorful.

I know we'll have to fight MikChow for the hot fluro pink though.

Tires will be a issue going by the ROAR rules its got min dia and max width so that rules out buggy and standard truck wheels, some 2.2's look like they might be workable,

As for motors these truck are going to be heavy and i dont think many of us are too keep on a 17.5 or 27t setup for these things thats recommended by ROAR but (not a must), I think a 19t - 10.5 and up is within budget for most. The traxxas things come with a 12t that doesnt last to long buy the sounds of things so dropping a $40 HPI 19t in on the same speedy will be a cheap option for a new comer.

[mik068]

Super Roo that would be Barbie Pink !!! not hot fluro pink !!!

[eichkay]

Super Roo that would be Barbie Pink !!! not hot fluro pink !!!

I'll let you have that colour mik. Ive got other colours in mind for my truck

[mik068]

I think 19 turn would be great we all have a few of these left over from spec class racing

[Mazimbwe]

Just thinking that the Outlaw 19-turn motors at Perth RC might be perfect for this class.

[boogernissan]

so would a traxxas slash be good for this class,standard body should be legal?

[eichkay]

so would a traxxas slash be good for this class,standard body should be legal?

Thats the plan, mix of the slash and sc10's

[Dags]

One of the slash's last night had buggy wheels/tyres on. Probably for more grip, ut thats the point, they're meant to slide all over the place. Definitely SC wheels/tyres only.

That would be mine Bob, and YES, I totally agree. After a couple of weeks winning novice I decided my last night with the Slash before the Short Course Class is running, would be spent playing to see if I could run anywhere near the Truck times. With stock tyres or even the Proline Switch, (legal) I wouldn't have a chance, and as it turned out, I still didnt.
Funnily enough my overall times were faster with the Switch than with my CRT .5 wheels.

I cant wait to go back to stock Slash, its going to be soooo much fun.

[SuperRoo]

I hear there might be enough of these trucks down at West Coast for a class of their own tomorrow night.

So bring them down guys.

[BIG PETE]

i will be there and so will chucky with his new one

[obzELiTe]

I hear there might be enough of these trucks down at West Coast for a class of their own tomorrow night.

So bring them down guys.

slashs i presume, or has some lucky sob got an sc10?

[SuperRoo]

Yes Slash's but hopefully the SC10's we be in stock today or monday.

[KingBob]

Roo, how much?

[Mazimbwe]

Dammit...this looks like it might be more fun than 19-Turn Truck.
I think you guys are onto a great thing but I would say one thing...I would rather see the class run tyres NOT like the Stock/Mod Truck. I think they should be a bit slower and a bit more slippery on the track to encourage that close bumping/rubbing style that is more real.
I mean, if there are not enough of you to make a class and you want to run Mod-truck then you can slip on some Bowties...but I would like to see them as different to the open wheeled Trucks.

just my 2c

[SuperRoo]

how much?

Estimated cost will be $380 - $390 and eta has been set back to next friday or monday, which I guess isnt to bad (cough) considering we were told at Toy Fair last month they were "in stock and ready to ship" (cough).

[BIG PETE]

had a ball last night i might not be the best driver but i kept everyone amused cant wait to get more trucks out there

[KingBob]

Which is exactly the point, a class for fun!

[Mini Crawler]

had fun last night cant wait till next week

[SuperRoo]

As last night showed, these things could be run with silver can 540's and they would still be a handful.

I cant wait to see more on the track though.

Something else that might be interesting is starting all of these trucks at the same time every race. Watching a few youtube vids it looks pretty fun seeing them trying to get through the first couple of corners of a race when their all near each other.

[Dags]

I'd be happy with the standing start option. Thats how we start at RRC now and it makes for an exciting first 20 metres.
The power issue is a tough one.
Running brushless is clearly faster. Poor Chucky almost got his shell sucked off a couple of times on the straight, but the power REALLY makes them a handfull, but still faster.
A racer running, say a 5700 CC with a MM so they could program the soft start or punch control would have it all over the more basic systems.
Mine runs the VXL obviously with limited programming available and is very fast and needs TLC, where as Petes 1/8 system is slower but has so much torque out of the corners that it just steps out constantly.
I think leave us where we are for the moment until more people enter class, and then sit back and make adjustments.

[BIG PETE]

standing start all together would be great i am going to make a motor change in mine it just way to much for corners

[Dags]

Question for the class runners and race directors.
Do we need to specify tyres?
At the moment Dennis and Chucky are racing on standard rubber, (I think) while Pete and I are running Proline Switch, (legal)

[SuperRoo]

Question for the class runners and race directors.
Do we need to specify tyres?
At the moment Dennis and Chucky are racing on standard rubber, (I think) while Pete and I are running Proline Switch, (legal)

No you dont need a specific tyre until we start running the class as a proper point scoring class.

If we were to go by the rules given by ROAR recently the following tyres are legal:
Tire Tread……………………………………………….. Treaded, NO Cut/Custom
(Provisional Tire Patterns - Proline 1076 or 1078; AE 9809; Traxxas 5871)

So everyone should be good to go. I think if you want to run a tyre like the buggy tyres you should be fine but they do look ghey :eek: and when it comes to trying to drive the truck on the proper short coarse tyres again you'll be driving like pete. :D

[Dags]

No one drives like Pete!!! lol

[SuperRoo]

He kept complaining that the marshals were putting his truck back on the track facing the wrong way on friday but I think that was just his driving. :D

[Dags]

I thought I saw the marshals put him back on his roof a couple of times.
Got the Goat Novak I will swap for his EZ Run, or Yeah Racing or whatever it is......


I HATE Novak..........


:the comments expressed in this post are personal and in no way reflect the opinions of West Coast Model Rally, its committee, or the moderators of this forum...... lol

[BIG PETE]

hey you lot i was having fun
if ya not having fun no point being there

[Dags]

Yeah the Slash racing was awesome. The best fun I had was when we were side by side and pushing each other around....

Remember rubbin's racing!!!

[Mini Crawler]

had heaps off fun i agree with the standing start it will make it interesting as i know i will have prob trying to take off with standard tyres

[big tim]

i will b there on friday with my flogged out slash

[BIG PETE]

good stuff Tim more the bettera

[eichkay]

Got word on my SC10 today, wont be seeing it til late next week by the looks of it (if all goes well), the import has been lieing about the incoming shipment making out like it had landed when it hadn't

[BIG PETE]

are you gettin the kit or RTR one mate and what are they worth i thinking about gettin one

[eichkay]

are you gettin the kit or RTR one mate and what are they worth i thinking about gettin one

Its the Kit version, unsure on exact cost tho, richard said they going to be about $380 mark

[BIG PETE]

kewl thanks will give him a call on friday

[Mini Crawler]

he wont be there friday pete and ive already got my name on one so slash can become basher

[BIG PETE]

i forgot they having a baby on friday

[obzELiTe]

baby eh, cya in 6 months richard :P

[Dags]

Didnt he use having the baby as an excuse for a no-show at a crawl 3 months ago????

[BIG PETE]

i think there was a bit of morning sickness that day

[revsinc]

Or was it "Make the baby day" ??

[SuperRoo]

Or was it "Make the baby day" ??

3 months to make a baby, I'm good but I aint that good.

[SuperRoo]

baby eh, cya in 6 months richard :P

Why, you going somewhere? :confused:

I'll be at racing friday night.

[BIG PETE]

chucky just changed his pinion this arvo to a 23 tooth thats comes with the slash when you buy it
he got the standard 12 turn motor and speedy we just had a bit of a play around out the front of my place and his was just behind mine speed wise not much in it at all
i am running the traxxas Velineon 3500 motor

[big tim]

u need to put the 23 tooth pinion in yours pete

[Mash13]

hey guys, i'll be coming down in 3 fridays from now (i work away). I just cranked out the slash this arvo and the motors crapped it. So what motors do you guys run or really plan to run in the future? I'll buy online while im at work so its ready when I get home. Anyway im hangin out to get back into it. I used to race onraod at west coast but just been workin waaaaaaaaay to much and friday night is better for me than a whole sunday

[eichkay]

hey guys, i'll be coming down in 3 fridays from now (i work away). I just cranked out the slash this arvo and the motors crapped it. So what motors do you guys run or really plan to run in the future? I'll buy online while im at work so its ready when I get home. Anyway im hangin out to get back into it. I used to race onraod at west coast but just been workin waaaaaaaaay to much and friday night is better for me than a whole sunday

Its all over the place, gentleman's agreement was not quicker than a 19t or 10.5BL... some are running 17.5BL to help curve the wheel spin issues... ive got mine overpowered with a 10.5BL because thats what i had spare at the time... 17.5BL is in another car that gets very regular use so its not coming out. I was thinking of getting a 13.5 to try one of tho's out.. just want a little more grunt than a 17.5

[Mash13]

ok so I might grab a 13.5 BL. Whats the go with speedies?
i have a lrp sphere tc spec do you reckon that would hold up alright?

[Emlyn]

Id go a LRP sphere or a GTB or speed passion
what speedy is in it now?

[nexxus]

I was looking at throwing my hat in on these but the SC10 as a RTR comes with a 17 turn (bugger)

Can I run a non sensored motor , but less KV than a 10.5?

Not interested in points or any of that

[Dags]

RTR SC10 comes with an 18 turn Reedy. I ran mine last weekend and won a couple.
The RTR is good value by the looks of it!

[Mash13]

Id go a LRP sphere or a GTB or speed passion
what speedy is in it now?

at the moment its stock, but I have a sphere tc spec speedy and x11 17.5bl just sitting around from my tourer. I just wanted to make sure that speedy would be alright offroad

[Emlyn]

dont worry about a new motor that sounds perrrfect

[Mash13]

sweeeeeeet seyall in 3 weeks!
Oh yer what gearing do you guys run on a 17.5 BL?

[Dags]

The TC Sphere would be the one to have.
I run a GTB with a 5.5 Fantom in my B44 but I just bought a TC Sphere to back it because "I hate Novak"
If you read the Fantom forum on RC Tech the team drivers recommend the Sphere for the ION and ION2's and actually claim they are FASTER with the LRP than the Novak....

[nexxus]

Which one is toughest, for me it'd be occasional race but something for my mates to bash with when I am out thrashing the Flux

[Emlyn]

dont worry about a new motor that sounds perrrfect

in saying that some people are finding they want that extra power
but if your just starting off the 17.5 would be fine,
superroo who one the final on friday was running a 17.5
but if you wanted that extra power maybe a 13.5:)

[Dan]

not giving any hints on wat brand of the motor to buy lol

[Emlyn]

well thats the brand a few of the guys are running
in the stock specs

[Mash13]

any thoughts on the new SC8e?
http://www.teamassociated.com/ae/sc8e/sc8e_home.htm
I know its 1:8 but would be good to see a few of these run. Its on my xmas list :)

[skindoggy33]

Hi all has anyone run a 17.5 in a slash if so how does it compare to a titan 12t for power and speed

Thanks Nick

[eichkay]

any thoughts on the new SC8e?
http://www.teamassociated.com/ae/sc8e/sc8e_home.htm
I know its 1:8 but would be good to see a few of these run. Its on my xmas list :)

The SC10's are rather close in size to the SC8's ... its hard enuff getting a field of 1/8th truggys together never mind a SC class of them

[nexxus]

What's a decent motor to run behind the Slash without being out of control? At the moment I have a MMMV3 pulling the Titan 550 which is a bit of a waste but it hammers on 3s (motor won't last doin that)

[Emlyn]

2.5 lol

[SuperRoo]

Hi all has anyone run a 17.5 in a slash if so how does it compare to a titan 12t for power and speed

Thanks Nick

I've been running a Fantom 17.5 in my SC10 since I built it and it goes pretty well in comparison to the guys running Titan motors in their Slash's on the race track. Straight line performance they are almost equal, probably the only thing that made me any faster was battery choice.

I do plan on going to a 13.5 or 10.5 when racing starts up again after winter to see if I can catch the two guys that constantly beat me.

What's a decent motor to run behind the Slash without being out of control? At the moment I have a MMMV3 pulling the Titan 550 which is a bit of a waste but it hammers on 3s (motor won't last doin that)

You planning on racing? If so you dont need anything more than a 10.5 sensor motor or a 3500 - 4600 sensor less motor.

For bashing? Who Cares??? Run What You Brung!!!

[eichkay]

What's a decent motor to run behind the Slash without being out of control? At the moment I have a MMMV3 pulling the Titan 550 which is a bit of a waste but it hammers on 3s (motor won't last doin that)

I think a 10.5 is more than enuff for bashing and racing, any more than that the truck would be undrivable on the loose stuff , grass you could run anything in theory , but i read a review of a tekin system and they were killing slash gearbox's and that was a 537 system.

[Dags]

I've just bought the 537 Tekin for the SC10, (3400kv) but Ruiceton at SIK is just putting in a Fantom order, for batteries, 10.5, 17.5 and the 13.5 at my request.
Maybe I should wait for the 13.5's to come in then aye!
I thought the Velineon at 3500 (really closer to 5000kv) would trash the tranny before the Tekin, maybe the Tekin is another Fantom in the making?

[skindoggy33]

Sounds good guys but im a little straped and only have a 17.5 as long as it keeps up with the titan or a little better ill have half a chance of giving Keri a run but the a 13.5 sounds like the motor of choice (ill put one on laybuy)(joke)

Thanks Nick

[Mash13]

is racing still on fridays or is the track shut for winter? i have finally got my slash going then my lipo crapped it. do u run n e lipo or must it b roar approved?

[BIG PETE]

nothing friday till the end of winter
but have been racing at carine a bit on sundays the corr trucks are great there

[Mash13]

what gearing do you guys recomend for the slash? im running a 17.5 with standard gearing but it just seems so SLOW!

[nexxus]

The 17.5 you'd need to push up to a 30-32 tooth pinion at least!

I understand the need for stock wheels only if it's a points / comp round, but for someone such as myself who'd only rock up maybe once a month, and not at all fussed about winning, would I still be disallowed from competing using the 17mm hex tyres I use, I just find them cheaper to replace.

[obzELiTe]

depends how much u hinder the leaders :p

prob on a points night the trucks will all have to be spec, but on a normal night ppl last year had buggy tires so i dont see the problem. dont think it helped much anyway.

[Mash13]

The 17.5 you'd need to push up to a 30-32 tooth pinion at least!

I understand the need for stock wheels only if it's a points / comp round, but for someone such as myself who'd only rock up maybe once a month, and not at all fussed about winning, would I still be disallowed from competing using the 17mm hex tyres I use, I just find them cheaper to replace.


do your hex wheels fit right on or do you use adaptors? I'm hanging to have a go with the slash on a track :D

[nexxus]

I use STRC 17mm hex adapters

[SuperRoo]

what gearing do you guys recomend for the slash? im running a 17.5 with standard gearing but it just seems so SLOW!

As Nex said 30 - 32 pinion is about right but you'll need to run a 76T Spur.
I doubt you will even fit a 30 on with the stock spur. You want a FDR of around 6.5:1 depending on the brand of 17.5T motor.

[BIG PETE]

you can fit a 30 on with stock spur i did it one of my slashes last weekend

[SuperRoo]

you can fit a 30 on with stock spur i did it one of my slashes last weekend

OK, but that will still only give you a FDR in the high 7's so it will still be dog slow with a 17.5T brushless motor.

[BIG PETE]

i only did it to see how fast i could my bash one to go
the motor only just goes back far enough to get it to fit

[Mash13]

ok well i have a 76t spur from my old bandit so i'll be sweet, cheers guys

[SuperRoo]

i only did it to see how fast i could my bash one to go
the motor only just goes back far enough to get it to fit

I recon we could get your bash slash to do the metric ton with ease.

[obzELiTe]

I recon we could get your bash slash to do the metric ton with ease.

can we film dropping it off a building :)

[big tim]

has there been any decision on the motor size for the corr truck class yet

[BIG PETE]

will be anounced soon tim

[SuperRoo]

will be anounced soon tim

The motors for the class will be Silver Can Johnson or Mabuchi brushed 540 motors or 21.5T (Sensor Only) brushless motors. :rolleyes:

Seriously though, we should have some rules set in place for the second half of the 2009 season in the next week or two.

Hopefully these will be the rules for the States too.

[Mash13]

So what speedy and motor combo should I buy to run legally in this class?

[nexxus]

A lot of guys run the VXL combos in the Slash, are these allowed?

I have some sc tyres incoming as I realise the 17mm buggy thing was going to cause too much hassle / protests

[BIG PETE]

http://www.teamadrenaline.net/forums/showthread.php?t=6241 post 22

VXL is ok for club racing at the moment but is way to fast when you got tyres with grip
i did a few laps at carine this arvo with my bow ties all it wanted to do was wheelies every where

[nexxus]

yeah see I dont have wheelie issues on mine with the way I set up the slipper so it's all sweet :)

I got the JConcepts goosebumps coming in for it.

[BIG PETE]

if i have my slipper slightly loose it gets fried

[Mash13]

OK so whos going down Friday for this class? I just got my slash prepped lookin fwd 2 tomorrow!

[BIG PETE]

i will be there for maybe 2 races

[bwana1967]

I'll be there wif me new Losi Strike, not that impressed with the RTR on 2s lipo power, speed though. Anyone else have the same issue?

[bwana1967]

Forget this post, battery is on way out and had no punch, all good now, look forward to racing it :D

I'll be there wif me new Losi Strike, not that impressed with the RTR on 2s lipo power, speed though. Anyone else have the same issue?

[HotTuna]

I found it has more power and better brake control in forward/brake mode.

Forward/Reverse mode is weird, brakes feel like they go straight to 100% and if you hit the brakes then back off, then hit the brakes again it goes into reverse. Great for the tranny.

[jonnysikrx3]

not sc10 = fail spec... ha ha... nah, looking forward to having a run in corr...

[Mash13]

what tires seem to be the best for the corr trucks?
I'm lookin at bowties or the switch? Anyone tried both?

[globe]

Bowties or goose bumps seem to be the go or 1/8th buggy tyres but i dont think they are legal.

[Mash13]

yeah Im thinking I might order the premounted bow ties on the new PL beadlocks

[momo]

for those using better tyres, is all 4 needed or just the rear?

[KingBob]

Depends whether you want to be able to steer or not... :P

[globe]

The stock sc10 tyres work fine on the front.

[Mash13]

i just ordered FR + R bow ties premounted on the new split six rims.

[momo]

Depends whether you want to be able to steer or not... :P

Yeah but because they're not driven wheels I thought fancy bowties would be wasted.
2WD trucks use only ribbed on the front don't they?

[KingBob]

Just because they're not driven wheels doesnt mean the tread doesnt matter. The ribbed "Edge" tyres normally run on 2wd truck gives great directional steering, bald ones will affect handling. Steering tires that dont grip will certainly make a difference.

[Emlyn]

Yeah but because they're not driven wheels I thought fancy bowties would be wasted.
2WD trucks use only ribbed on the front don't they?

The stock tyres are fine on the front.. its the rear grip id be worrying about once ya get that sorted work on the front...

[obzELiTe]

no grip on the front of mine helped, you had to line your corners up and take some more care on track position, but it stopped the truck from spinning all the time.

[momo]

Yep, happy to try rear only first.. its cheaper!
Besides I can wait a few more weeks to beat you guys :)

[Mash13]

Yep, happy to try rear only first.. its cheaper!
Besides I can wait a few more weeks to beat you guys :)

I ordered front and rears so i'll let you know if I notice a difference!
Id say another big factor of the tires is the roll of the tires. The stock slash tires seem quite stiff without much roll in them. I noticed the SC10's had great tire roll around the right hand sweeper while the slash that had the stock tires was skidding more

[bwana1967]

Can someone please advise what bead lock rims and bow ties i can get for this truck. Also a web link so i can order would be great. :)
Looking forward to having it a bit more competitve against the slash and sc10's out there hehehehe (driver ability would probably help too, but for now i blame the tyres :rolleyes:)

[nexxus]

Mash what Pinion/Spur u runnin on ur Slash, I'm wantin to put a 17.5 in mine and race corr in the next few weeks. Do the JConcept goosebump tyres hook up ok?

[SuperRoo]

Can someone please advise what bead lock rims and bow ties i can get for this truck. Also a web link so i can order would be great. :)
Looking forward to having it a bit more competitve against the slash and sc10's out there hehehehe (driver ability would probably help too, but for now i blame the tyres :rolleyes:)

The only Bead Lock wheels I'm aware of are the Proline wheels for the Slash and they are a different offset to the Strike wheels. You'll have to wait until Proline make some however the stock Strike wheels are cheap enough ($11.75/pr) on their own anyway.

[jonnysikrx3]

Mash what Pinion/Spur u runnin on ur Slash, I'm wantin to put a 17.5 in mine and race corr in the next few weeks. Do the JConcept goosebump tyres hook up ok?

Goosebumps work quite well.. managed a 34 sec lap of bayswater, so must be ok...

[obzELiTe]

35.776 for me, but i cheated with 1/8 buggy rears.

i dont know how much of advantage it really gave me as it handled like a tug boat covered in butter on an ice rink when emlyn drove it, i then figured oil in the shocks would help so chucked some 40wt in all of them and suddenly it stopped rolling over all the time.
that and moving the shock mounts had way more affect than the change of rears.
it still skated around when i really tried to get some speed out of it, and i almost collected the fence when i nailed it down the straight.
keri also pointed out that the tires i was using are made for 30-45 minute races as they are a really hard tire with a really solid foam and after the friday night show no wear, so i'm keen to try some aftermarket correct size tires to really see if they do provide an advantage.

[momo]

36s, stock VXL slash with rear bowties.
In 2nd position 3rd corner of final then slammed from behind, upside down, and to the back of the pack.:rolleyes:

[Mash13]

Mash what Pinion/Spur u runnin on ur Slash, I'm wantin to put a 17.5 in mine and race corr in the next few weeks. Do the JConcept goosebump tyres hook up ok?


im runnin a 76T spur and 30 or 31T pinion (cant remember which). runs very cool so there is room for a bit of gear play in there.

[obzELiTe]

36s, stock VXL slash with rear bowties.
In 2nd position 3rd corner of final then slammed from behind, upside down, and to the back of the pack.:rolleyes:

i was first until the restart, then i was third and whoever hit you took me out first and sent me off the track. but thats racing.

[nexxus]

are the guys running 17.5 that much slower than the VXL's around the track?

[SuperRoo]

As far as the results show the guys running the slower motors are the top finishers.

I think Keri went from a 10.5 in the first half of the season to a 13.5 now, Mick Chow has also gone from a brushed 19T to a 13.5. The results show these two in top 3.

The only place the guys with more power get the slower guys is on the straight and thats only IF they can get the power down.

[jonnysikrx3]

I don't have any problems with my 10.5, just lacking consistancy in my driving being new to rc.. just make silly mistakes that i'll no doubt master.. I would go something with a bit more than a 17.5 though.

[momo]

i was first until the restart, then i was third and whoever hit you took me out first and sent me off the track. but thats racing.

Thats bastards racing, not gentlemans racing. :D

[Lavidicus]

what motors and speedys are you guys actually running? one can only assume i can't chuck in mamba and see what happens?

is all i've got... and it is scary from time to time.

[SuperRoo]

Run what you brung for club racing.

Lucky for you can you can dumb the thing down with timing, punch control and throttle curves with the software.

[nexxus]

Yeah, I have decided to go back to the VXL, I figure I have had to take a crash course in throttle control with the Savage Flux so we'll see how it goes.

Now to actually make it down for a race!

[Lavidicus]

i've never been to club racing.. am in much of the same boat as this fella ^^^

used to. when i used to go to SCHOOL.

so, mamba will be fine? i'll slam the power way down to a 19t mod or something thereabouts.

[obzELiTe]

u will find u wont be able to the power down the ground anyway.

[BIG PETE]

Can someone please advise what bead lock rims and bow ties i can get for this truck. Also a web link so i can order would be great. :)
Looking forward to having it a bit more competitve against the slash and sc10's out there hehehehe (driver ability would probably help too, but for now i blame the tyres :rolleyes:)


keri has a set of tyres and rims he holding for me mate 12mm hex you can grab them off him if ya i wont need them now
i wont be racing much anymore

[obzELiTe]

i wont be racing much anymore


how come?

[jonnysikrx3]

Whats going on pete??? Its good to have you down there....

[KingBob]

What sort of gear ratio are people using with the 10.5 motors?

[eichkay]

I was running 9.5:1 FDR from memory with the 10.5 KB

[Bowling Ball]

These things look like a lot of fun. Reminds me of my Maxx racing days - Big Grin racing. :D:D:D

Not done much reading other than skimming through this thread, (and a bit of browsding elsewhere) seeing as a Roar spec manufactor is making these - They have official rules or they based on a gentlemens agreement? is this going to change? (AGM?)

The grin factor needs to return to my head! This looks like the class that might do it, within my budget - much cheaper than Maxx racing! (and the fact WoW is getting a bit boring on friday nights with nothing to do :rolleyes:)

[KingBob]

The rules for them are a gentlemens agreement at the moment, based on the ROAR rules.

[nexxus]

Ok just to clarify, the VXL is not a legal motor correct? So club racing ok, but points days / sanctioned events etc it would be disallowed and we would need to use a Roar legal 10.5/13.5/17.5

Is that the case?

[jonnysikrx3]

Yeah mate, max 10.5 sensored brushless, and 2.2 by 3.0 diameter tyres.

[eichkay]

As KB said, its a gentlemans agreement based on roar rules.. club level anything goes at the moment but anything quicker than a 10.5 just doesnt happen anyway so its pointless putting a really hot motor in one.

Ive emailed the ammended rule set to all WAORMA committee and rep's , this rule set will be talked about at the next WAORMA meeting in bunbury.

Anyone that has issues with any part of the altered ROAR rules please contact one of your WAORMA reps within the club your a member of so we can bring up any changes required.. (west coast members , talk to myself keri)

[nexxus]

Yeah got no issues with the rest of the rules, got the JConcept tyres, Roar legal packs etc etc, the VXL I'll probably leave in there for club days and if I do run a sanctioned event then I'll have to hunt down a 10.5. (Lucky the VXL ESC has a sensor port somewhere)

[Dazz 68]

Yeah mate, max 10.5 sensored brushless, and 2.2 by 3.0 diameter tyres.
I would have to double check but from memory the motor/ speedie combo no longer needs to be sensored, so 10.5 turn motor running on an unsensored speedie is ok. This is good news for every one that has an unsensored system, only the motor will need to be changed and there are many reasonably priced legal motors available these days

[eichkay]

AARCMCC rules for motors state brushless sensored or sensorless allowed

[Bowling Ball]

I would have to double check but from memory the motor/ speedie combo no longer needs to be sensored, so 10.5 turn motor running on an unsensored speedie is ok. This is good news for every one that has an unsensored system, only the motor will need to be changed and there are many reasonably priced legal motors available these days

Did a bit of reading, general consensus is anything higher 13.5T is a bit of waste (Based on grip) But newer generations of tires should fix that surely. I only have a 17.5T for now :rolleyes:

Its not fast enough until it does wheel stands down the straight! (for the ppl that remember my Mini-T :p )

[mik068]

BB I remember the mini T and the out of control rc18t, I think I still have it as well !!!!

[SuperRoo]

With the growth of the class, I think we are going to see this class grow in to a Stock and Modified or Outlaw classes but I would like to see a rule made that only permits the use of 1/10 scale wheels/tyres.

[KingBob]

Heh, a 5.5T in an SC10.... that aint gonna move anywhere!

[momo]

I like the WCMRC track for but the place is too busy for me already, 2hrs between drives not worth my time.

[KingBob]

2hrs???
That would make it an 8 hour race meet! I dont think we've ever finished at 3:30am!

[NightWolf]

i need some were to test out my 4 x 4 cor truck

[nexxus]

u need it to arrive first :P

[eichkay]

I like the WCMRC track for but the place is too busy for me already, 2hrs between drives not worth my time.

There was more classes than usual due to state titles event this weekend, thus the longer wait which was only 15min max more per round than the norm..

[momo]

Sorry, it was 1hr between. I counted the 3hrs waiting for my first race :)

[obzELiTe]

its going to be quite this week i bet. prob all over before 10

[momo]

Yep, really quiet. As in not on quiet.

[mok]

not sure anyone has done this before..

last night i replaced the stock rear hub carriers with the optional rustler 1.5 degree toe-in uprights (#3652)..
as you would expect, this gives an additional 1.5 degrees toe-in on the rear and it definately makes a difference..

i had to make a spacer to go on the inside of the hub carrier to space out the difference in widths of the uprights..
to do this i used a TRF shock piston and reamed out the hole in the centre so it slides over the wheel axle and removed the spacer that normally sits on the outside of the upright between the bearing and the pin for the wheel hex

as an added bonus, this also increased the options available for playing with rear roll centre as the #3652 hub carrier has 3 mounting points for the rear camber link..

at the moment, cant see any downsides.. maybe someone has tried this?

-Mark

[SuperRoo]

I've got a set of XXX4 1 and 2 degree rear hubs coming for the Losi.

Pity they didnt arrive before the states.

Should give better straight line acceleration.

[KingBob]

I want some of the 2deg ones as well, need to order some.

[Lavidicus]

what've you guys done with your shocks? particularly you guys with slashes.

i've got mine's arse end sitting low and soft purely because it looks better mid-skid, but have noticed it doesn't skip around like it did before.

standard shock oil, jjjuuuuust because i rock. and they're still feeling good. what sort of heights and stiffness should i have all round?

[OzSlash]

I agree with SuperRoo if its core trucks they should be running core tires not 1/8 buggy tires.

[jonnysikrx3]

not sure anyone has done this before..

last night i replaced the stock rear hub carriers with the optional rustler 1.5 degree toe-in uprights (#3652)..
as you would expect, this gives an additional 1.5 degrees toe-in on the rear and it definately makes a difference..

i had to make a spacer to go on the inside of the hub carrier to space out the difference in widths of the uprights..
to do this i used a TRF shock piston and reamed out the hole in the centre so it slides over the wheel axle and removed the spacer that normally sits on the outside of the upright between the bearing and the pin for the wheel hex

as an added bonus, this also increased the options available for playing with rear roll centre as the #3652 hub carrier has 3 mounting points for the rear camber link..

at the moment, cant see any downsides.. maybe someone has tried this?

-Mark

Extra toe in on rear is a good thing..

[obzELiTe]

I agree with SuperRoo if its core trucks they should be running core tires not 1/8 buggy tires.

i agree, corr tires meaning the ones the truck came with, not prolines or any other aftermarket version of a corr tire.

[nexxus]

So what CORR tyres are there?

Ones I know of are:

Traxxas Slash - Stockers
SC10 - Stockers
Losi Strike - Stockers
Proline - Switch SC
Proline - Bowties SC
JConcepts - Goosebumps SC

[BIG PETE]

i agree, corr tires meaning the ones the truck came with, not prolines or any other aftermarket version of a corr tire.


what tyres did you run on yours the other night:confused:

[obzELiTe]

tires that allowed me to keep up with the ppl at the front running prolines

[jonnysikrx3]

tires that allowed me to keep up with the ppl at the front running prolines

I wasn't running pro lines, and you still couldn't keep up.... ha ha ha... :D

[eichkay]

So what CORR tyres are there?

Ones I know of are:

Traxxas Slash - Stockers
SC10 - Stockers
Losi Strike - Stockers
Proline - Switch SC
Proline - Bowties SC
JConcepts - Goosebumps SC

HPI - Maxxis, Trepador

[KingBob]

So whats been written for the rules so far?

Need to get them sorted ASAP so that a delegate can present them at a WAORMA meeting either this weekend at the Ryper IC, or in a month at the Hardman cup.

Only then can they be voted on at the AGM. And that's assuming WAORMA committee have no queries or problems requiring attention. Otherwise CORR will still be a 'demo' class next year.

[obzELiTe]

I wasn't running pro lines, and you still couldn't keep up.... ha ha ha... :D

second on the grid, said otherwise ;P

[nexxus]

From what I can see we're saying Corr tyres, Roar legal motor and batteries 10.5 to 17.5 turn spec

Or is that off?

[jonnysikrx3]

second on the grid, said otherwise ;P

second on grid, third in race... and I dnf'd that race due to a on/off switch, and still got second, yep, you sure kept up;) truck goes much better now with shock fluid... and no more on/off switch... It got me again last meet too:mad:

nexxus... tire diameter needs to be 2.2 by 3.0, which are corr spec tires..

[nexxus]

Yer thats what I have, 2.2 outside and 3.0 inside

[KingBob]

From what I can see we're saying Corr tyres, Roar legal motor and batteries 10.5 to 17.5 turn spec

Or is that off?

Thats a start. What about:
Min and max: length, width, wheelbase, and weight?
2wd or 4wd?
Corr tyres needs to be more specific, diameter, width, inner/outer bead?

Any class specific running rules, ie: side by side finals start to keep it more realistic.

And so on and so on.

[jonnysikrx3]

Been a bit of talking about having a Short Course Truck Class, I run around in the night and talked to guy that i know are seriously looking at getting a SC10 and talked with existing traxxas slash guys and we come up with a general rule

Basics its going to be a:
• Super Stock Class Motor (19turn or 10.5BL max, can run 13.5 or 17.5 etc)
• ShortCourse market wheels only

I also had a good look at the specs between the trucks and i think its a rather close matchup in theory , the higher center of gravity might be the biggest issue for the traxxas over the SC10.

Specs ----- SC10 vs Slash
Wheelbase 327 ---- 335
Width ----- 296 ---- same
Length ---- 550 ---- 568
Weight ---- 2080 -- 2160
(All info on first page)

ROAR provisional rules can be found here (link on first page)

[jonnysikrx3]

ROAR provisional rules, these are the ones we are going with I believe, apart from the engine size..

March 16, 2009
2009 1:10 Short Course Truck "Provisional"Rules
Chassis
Wheelbase Min/Max……………………………………. 320mm / 335mm (12.59in / 13.19in)
Overall Length Min/Max……………………………….. 540mm / 568mm (21.25in / 22.36in)
Overall Width Min/Max………………………………… 290mm / 296mm (11.42in / 11.65in)
Minimum Weight……………………………………….. 74oz / 2098grams
2 Wheel Rear Drive……………………………………... Geared or Ball Differential
Rear Suspension………………………………………… Independent or Solid Axle
Tire/Wheel Specs
Wheel Inner Bead Max Diameter……………………….. 3.0 in / 76.20mm
Wheel Outer Bead Max Diameter………………………. 2.2 in / 55.88mm
Wheel Bead Width Max………………………………… 1.55 in / 39.37mm
Wheel Width Max………………………………………. 1.65 in / 41.91mm
Tire Maximum Width…(mounted)...…………………… 1.85 in / 46.99mm
Tire Diameter Min…(mounted)...………………………. 4.20 in / 106.68mm
Tire Tread……………………………………………….. Treaded, NO Cut/Custom
Body Specs
Full Fender Truck Body. Body must completely cover tires when viewed from above
Windshield Minimum Setback Centerline Front of Body to Begin Windshield (see SCT Cab
Setback Diagram)
Cab Roof Minimum Width and Depth (see STC Roof Diagram)
Cab Minimum Height and Depth (see STC Cab Side Diagram)
NO add-on or integrated Spoilers/Wings allowed
Vehicle Height Ready to Race
Minimum Overall Height……………………………… 7.835in / 199mm
Motor/Battery Spec
ROAR Approved Brushless 17.5 Motor or 27T Brushed
ROAR Approved 2S 7.4V LiPo or 7.2V 6cell NiMh
Body Dimension Template (all dimensions are minimums)
March 16, 2009
Dimension and Technical Inspections Practices
Technical Inspection
Tire Minimum Mounted –
Minimum Diameter of the tire (mounted) is established to limit extremely low profile designs. The
target dimension (new tire) is established at 4.30 Inches. To compensate for wear, molding tolerances,
degradation of foam inserts, the pre‐race minimum allowable diameter of a mounted tire is 4.20 inches.
No Bald or custom cut tires are allowed. Tracks and Promoters are encouraged to select a “Stated” tire
that works best for their particular location.
Width and Wheelbase Inspection –
Width and Wheelbase of the vehicles will increase/decrease during the compression/extension of the
suspension. Vehicle should be inspected at Static Stance in ready to race condition.
Height –
Minimum Overall Height is measured with vehicle at Static Stance in ready to race condition
Body Inspection
Cab Setback –
Minimum setback is measured from a point equal to the Front (centerline) of the body to the beginning
of the windshield/lower rock guard.
Cab Profile –
Minimum depth of the cab is measured from the Beginning Point (centerline) of the Windshield/Lower
Rock Guard to the Rear Reference point of the Cab
Roof Panel –
Minimum Width is measured from outer most points of the roof section to the upper side window
reference line
Depth of the Roof Panel is measured (centerline) from the upper Visor/Rock Guard reference line to the
beginning of the Roll Bar/end point of the cab


http://roarracing.com/downloads/2009_ROAR_SCT_Provisional_Class_Rules.pdf

[eichkay]

rules have been posted up before and can be found here http://www.teamadrenaline.net/forums/showpost.php?p=69391&postcount=22 these are the rules that have been emailed to WAORMA reps and committee

nexxus your not 100% correct with the tire spec, you can still run the proline 2.2/2.2 rims tires that are narrow ... rules state maximum outside diameter 2.2 and maximum inside diameter of 3.0

[KingBob]

Emailing them doesnt mean squat.

A committee member from a WAORMA affiliated club (ie: west coast), who is a WAORMA delegate must present the rules at a WAORMA meeting which are only held at WAORMA sanctioned events.

Once accepted by WAORMA, only then can they be voted on at an AGM for acceptance for the following year.

[obzELiTe]

nexxus your not 100% correct with the tire spec, you can still run the proline 2.2/2.2 rims tires that are narrow ... rules state maximum outside diameter 2.2 and maximum inside diameter of 3.0

thats pretty vague, 2.2/2.2 isn't a standard size for any released corr truck, and your one just step away from just running a standard truck tire on a proline sc 2.2/2.2 rim, which technically is a treaded tire. if you want a corr tread pattern then the goosebumps are out as well, and the bowties debatable.

so now you can go from a 3 to a 2.2 on the inside, but not from a 2.2 to a 3 on the outside. i mean if changing tire size is seen as an advantage, then why allow it and if its not an advantage why do it?

no-one wants 1/8 buggy tires, but normal truck size tires are allowed? i cant see why changing in one direction is ok, but the other way not.

if your going to start specifying what you can and cant run perhaps the idea is to have a control tire for the season, or for points nights.

[BIG PETE]

thats pretty vague, 2.2/2.2 isn't a standard size for any released corr truck, and your one just step away from just running a standard truck tire on a proline sc 2.2/2.2 rim, which technically is a treaded tire. if you want a corr tread pattern then the goosebumps are out as well, and the bowties debatable.

.


your wrong there obz the first slash came with 2.2/2.2 rims and tyres
proline bought out the switch tyres and epic rims in 2.2/2.2 for the slash

[eichkay]

Emailing them doesnt mean squat.

A committee member from a WAORMA affiliated club (ie: west coast), who is a WAORMA delegate must present the rules at a WAORMA meeting which are only held at WAORMA sanctioned events.

Once accepted by WAORMA, only then can they be voted on at an AGM for acceptance for the following year.

At the WAORMA committee meeting at Carine IC i was asked as im the WestCoast WAORMA Rep to email the proposed rules to all the committee to look over, aswell as presenting them at the next meeting. You seem to like jumping to conclusions thinking we all a bunch of twats or something, its getting annoying all this pot stirring.

[obzELiTe]

your wrong there obz the first slash came with 2.2/2.2 rims and tyres
proline bought out the switch tyres and epic rims in 2.2/2.2 for the slash

so do the rules allow for any truck to run them, or just the slash?

[05brocky]

Everyone knows the rules obz, tyres must be a sc defined tyre yours are not simple as that, if u wanna run 1/8 tyres change truck. Std 2.2 truck tyres can't be used because they are 2 wide and are clearly labelled 2.2 truck tyre not 2.2 sc or 2.2to3 sc and if u think the tyres u are using now aren't as good as sc defined tyres that are legal u are in for a shock mate,lets see if u can run at the front then.

[skindoggy33]

the rules set by keri are pretty straight forward i dont see any problem with the rules and nor does 99% of everyone else + using 1/8 tyres looks like crap

just my 2 cents

[KingBob]

At the WAORMA committee meeting at Carine IC i was asked as im the WestCoast WAORMA Rep to email the proposed rules to all the committee to look over, aswell as presenting them at the next meeting. You seem to like jumping to conclusions thinking we all a bunch of twats or something, its getting annoying all this pot stirring.

WTF?

How is advising you of the correct procedure to get rules implemented, pot stirring? I WANT the rules to go through properly, so want to make sure its done right! How was I supposed to know you were a WAORMA delegate?

[wisey]

so now the motor has change from 10.5 to 17 brushless, so is this it now this size?:confused::confused:

[nexxus]

No they want to use Roar rules (which limits it to 17.5) with the exception of the motor which would stay at 10.5

But for those who have raced at Bayswater, what is the better option? 17.5 or 10.5 and around what fdr's would you use on each?

[KingBob]

13.5 would seem the best and most popular choice, fdr around 9.5.

[wisey]

good, i already have 13.5 :D:D

[nexxus]

boo, I need to get one!

[globe]

10.5 is the go for me just got to use a bit of throttle control

[momo]

This doesn't apply to friday night at Bayswater, does it?
I'm not interested in 'officially sanctioned' events or whatever, too many hoops to jump through for me.

I do like the sound of control tyres though, keeping it fair for everyone
and preventing a never ending cycle of spending just to keep up.

Also in my humble and inexperienced view, I think it should be about brushed or brushless and thats it. Not what brand or turns or kV etc.
Tyres are the most important factor, who cares if someone wants to try higher kV it won't help.

[eichkay]

But for those who have raced at Bayswater, what is the better option? 17.5 or 10.5 and around what fdr's would you use on each?

I've run a 10.5 in the SC and the 13.5 is the better option... i still wanted some get up and go so so went with a 13.5 rather than a 17.5 as we are lugging around trucks that are over 2.1kg and 17.5.

[nexxus]

Ok no dramas, but if we go to a 13.5 is it still quick enough to be an entertaining basher for those of us who won't restrict it to the track?

[OzSlash]

A complete list of tires and company's who manufacture the tires that will be allowed would be of a huge help to me!!!
A control tire option would be good but, i would have thought tire selection is all part of the set up of SC and part of the individuals choices why your infront of the next person...Just my 2c

[eichkay]

A complete list of tires and company's who manufacture the tires that will be allowed would be of a huge help to me!!!
A control tire option would be good but, i would have thought tire selection is all part of the set up of SC and part of the individuals choices why your infront of the next person...Just my 2c

Its such a new car the companies that make tires are only just really starting to make them... new tires and versions are coming out every month.. Prolines SC-Bowties have a 2nd generation packaging now, with a better insert rather than a very soft foam insert.

There will never be a control tire unless it become a sanctioned class for a state titles event

[05brocky]

Is the bowtie 2nd gen the one with the molded type foam and an extra little bit for the sidewall?

[skindoggy33]

No they want to use Roar rules (which limits it to 17.5) with the exception of the motor which would stay at 10.5

But for those who have raced at Bayswater, what is the better option? 17.5 or 10.5 and around what fdr's would you use on each?

my personal opinion is a 17.5 better for racing but if your going to bash it you would get bored with a 17.5 think my fd is 78 spur & a 34 pinion for big tracks gets abit warm but aslong as its only a 5 min race works well for me

[SuperRoo]

Is the bowtie 2nd gen the one with the molded type foam and an extra little bit for the sidewall?

Yeh, these ones: Closed_Cell_Inserts (http://www.prolineracing.com/products/V3_2_2_x_3_0_Closed_Cell_Inserts_4-429-151.html)

I also see that Proline have a couple of specialised front and rear tires available now too.
Mohawk (http://www.prolineracing.com/products/Mohawk_SC_2_2_3_0-447-85.html)

Sling Shot (http://www.prolineracing.com/products/Sling_Shot_SC_2_2_3_0-448-85.html)

---------------------------

Keep the comments coming guys as all the input we can get will help.

Something that I see for the future of this class as far as the governing bodies that be are concerned, is that we will eventually see this class grow into Stock and Modified class because of how the class has grown. This is how it is for every other form of EP off road racing.

This will leave any further rules that clubs want to create for their members up to the the clubs and their members to decide.

[nexxus]

my personal opinion is a 17.5 better for racing but if your going to bash it you would get bored with a 17.5 think my fd is 78 spur & a 34 pinion for big tracks gets abit warm but aslong as its only a 5 min race works well for me

True but if I ran 17.5 I'd probably go like 31/76 for racing on 2s and bashing say 18/86 on 4s

[eichkay]

Is the bowtie 2nd gen the one with the molded type foam and an extra little bit for the sidewall?

yeah thats the 2nd generation.. it says it on the pack.

[05brocky]

Cool cheers eichkay, got 2 sets from tower few months back molded foam is awesome alot easier but that little bit 4 sidewall was real pain when using std rims and glue versus beadlocks. I got m2 compound and they are pretty good, can't wait 4 caliber also.

[eichkay]

Cool cheers eichkay, got 2 sets from tower few months back molded foam is awesome alot easier but that little bit 4 sidewall was real pain when using std rims and glue versus beadlocks. I got m2 compound and they are pretty good, can't wait 4 caliber also.

The extra foam is for slash rims that are tapered internally .. standard SC type rims that are flat across the tire surface inside the rim dont use the extra foam ring

[Mash13]

well I managed to bend two rear righthand shocks like bannanas last night:D

In the main the rear right wheel was stuck fully compressed, which made driving a bit more challanging :p

Just aswell I had a few spare shockies from old bandits etc in the toolbox:D

Is anyone running the traxxas big bore shocks?

[Mash13]

when the slash 4x4 comes out mid december, will it be allowed to race in the current corr class?

[OzSlash]

I have been running the Traxxas BB for bout 6 months now, and have upgraded the rear shocks to losi xxx-t shocks that work great with adjustable preload...The Traxxas BB need a rebuild besides that there strong as!!!!! From what i've read the losi 8t shocks are an awsome upgrade for the slash with adjustable pre-load and all alloy like the xxx-t shocks, only prob is you have to do a little bit of sanding to get them to fit in the RPM arms...4x4 slash will be in a class of it's own, with the Ofna Hyper sc10, no way could a 4x4 race with a 2x4...JMHO

[eichkay]

when the slash 4x4 comes out mid december, will it be allowed to race in the current corr class?

No the 4x4 corrs wont be in with the 2wd corrs.

When it was talked about a few weeks ago, Due to how many classes the club currently has running the only way the 4x4 corr trucks will run is when it becomes a sanctioned class from AARCMCC (our australian governing body fro RC's)

[skindoggy33]

I recon let them all race together us 2wd corrs just have to try harder

its a good challenge

[nexxus]

If you run the 4wd in with the 2wd you'll get the pro wanna be racer "sheep station brigade" barking about unfair this and advantage that etc etc

Best not to upset the apple cart.

[Emlyn]

it would be like drift cars with touring's...

[skindoggy33]

I honestly dont see to much of an advantage if you open another class that means it will end later again I got home last night at 12;30am but hey if ya want we can stay till 2;00am run them together and split the class if you must like group A & group N etc

[SuperRoo]

Just let them run in Novice, 4WD or with the Truggy lads. They'll be right at home in all three.

[revsinc]

Kick Ass (http://www.ofna.com/hyper10sc.php)

[obzELiTe]

4wd and 2wd buggys run together, why not just do the same in corr.

[eichkay]

Racing doesnt cater for every single RC car on the market , gotta draw the line somewhere , hell you dont see to much wild willy racing going on , or tamiya hilift series , or re-release vintage tamiya's ....

[eichkay]

4wd and 2wd buggys run together, why not just do the same in corr.

And yet they dont really mix to well together if you hadn't noticed.

[obzELiTe]

Racing doesnt cater for every single RC car on the market , gotta draw the line somewhere , hell you dont see to much wild willy racing going on , or tamiya hilift series , or release vintage tamiya's ....

yeah, but i doubt a hilift series would attract a single person, the 4wd corr will probably be able to turn out similar number to 2wd in a couple of months.

[BIG PETE]

And yet they dont really mix to well together if you hadn't noticed.


obzELiTes racing dont mix very well with any of us HACK

[momo]

Just run them at whitemans in truggy class, thats what I'll be doing.

[obzELiTe]

obzELiTes racing dont mix very well with any of us HACK

count yourself lucky you had a slash, your truck would have been in pieces had you had the sc10 out :p

[eichkay]

Just run them at whitemans in truggy class, thats what I'll be doing.

Id be keen on a SC8 setup with brushless over a 1/10th 4wd anyways, cant be too far off having sc8 class's at MORBC or RRC i know theres a few guys around with them

[skindoggy33]

I thought rubbing was racing ;)

[BIG PETE]

I thought rubbing was racing ;)

bit of rubbing is racing but going flat out and taking people out for your own amusement is shit

[nexxus]

Why does it seem that those of us who are the most hardcore / obsessive about racing are the most vocal against having a 4wd Corr in with the rest.

It's a "fun" class, if it's a corr truck and they abide by the motor limit, who gives a toss? You hot shot racer types shouldn't be acting so threatened by it!

[SuperRoo]

There is a problem that I see with the 4WD SCT's and that is that they will be so much faster than the 2WD's and handle a lot better.

The caliber of racing to date has shown that most of the 2WD's (me included) have a difficult time keeping the same line around the track, when there is traction on the track so putting a much faster vehicle that handles a lot better on the same track as ill handling truck is a recipe for disaster.

The biggest problem is catering to them as a class. There are no known rules for these vehicles, so for them to run would we create rules that slow them down enough so that they are on a even keel with the 2WD's? Make them all run on stock SC10 tyres?? Make them run locked centre or rear diffs???

If we dont create rules for them then think about this. The stock 4x4 Slash does 64kph out of the box and to quote Jammin Jay Halsey "The Jammin SCRT10 is like having a top fuel drag car with 2" wide tyres, so why wouldn't you want it?".

I dont know about anyone else but I don't want to be hit up the ass by a top fuel drag car running 2" wide tyres.

[eichkay]

Why does it seem that those of us who are the most hardcore / obsessive about racing are the most vocal against having a 4wd Corr in with the rest.


As i said before, WCMRC has enough class's as it is... so the 4wd missiles wont be run until AARCMCC brings them in as a sanctioned class.

2wd corr's will stop running if they keep getting taken out by alloy chassis beast that punt them off the track and whoop there arse's by 2 laps so i don't see them mixed in as there is big enough field of 2wd as it is... WCMRC only mix's classes together when the numbers are not there for the other class , ie: 2wd mod with 4wd stock normally..

[Mash13]

my ass doesnt like getting hit, albeit on a friday night :) I think the 4x4 might not have that "sideways racing" appeal that the 2wd's have. I thought it was something to think about, as they will be out mid dec.

[globe]

The problem i see is that people who cant drive the 2wd at the moment will buy a 4wd to as a quick fix for their driving skills without trying to improve setup or throttle control.

[nexxus]

As I said, I don't see an issue with 4wd if they abide by the motor rules (ie 10.5 turn max) so the comment on a "64kph stock Slash" is rather a mute point as you wouldn't run the VXL combo anyway.

A 4wd is no quick fix, someone with a 4wd Corr will still lose to someone like Skindoggy who drives exceptionally well with the 2wd Corr trucks.

[globe]

If a 4wd doesnt handle better than 2wd why buy one. The 2wd corr class has great numbers at the moment why divide that up by introducing 4wd flying bricks that will get to the inside of the corner and punt you out of the way every time.Let them run with the monster trucks and we will see how they like it when they are up against heavier vehicles with more grip.

[Mash13]

No the 4x4 corrs wont be in with the 2wd corrs.

When it was talked about a few weeks ago, Due to how many classes the club currently has running the only way the 4x4 corr trucks will run is when it becomes a sanctioned class from AARCMCC (our australian governing body fro RC's)

Cheers eichkay,
seems to be a contentious issue :D
to me the appeal of the corr class is the sideways racing

[nexxus]

I'm sorry, but my understanding is that West Coast has a committee or such and that these decisions are made at that level. Eichkay what is your "role" in that sense as you have taken it upon yourself to be on the forum saying what's what (which is fine if that's your role) but what role is that?

(Not trying to stir, it's just easier to interpret the decisions we are told have been made when you know the organisational structure of West Coast)

[BIG PETE]

keri is on the commitie that why he knows whats going on

[Dazz 68]

Hey Nex
Eichay is a comittee member he has been involved in the racing of CORR trucks at West Coast since they first hit the track. He has played a major role in getting this class up and running in this state and getting them included in the 2009 state titles, his hard efforts should pay off shortly seeing the CORR trucks as a sanctioned class in WA.So in short he is right across everything West Coast does and where we are heading as a club and where they are heading at a state level and national level.
While we try to cater to as many classes as possible as Keri said it is not always practical to try and cater to everything.
West Coast is a race club affiliated with the national governing bodies and as such the primary role of West Coast is firstly to support the racing of current sanctioned AARCMCC classes and secondly to promote the sport in general hence the reason CORR trucks are currently running. 2WD CORR trucks still have a way to go before they are sanctioned at a national level and 4wd if ever sanctioned will be futher off again. In the mean time the committee at West Coast do stay accross current RC trends . A year ago no one had even seen a CORR truck at a race track now look where they are. Time will tell how popular 4x4 CORR trucks become and wether they will eventually become a stand alone class or something that does not quite fit in any where.

[SuperRoo]

As I said, I don't see an issue with 4wd if they abide by the motor rules (ie 10.5 turn max) so the comment on a "64kph stock Slash" is rather a mute point as you wouldn't run the VXL combo anyway.


Why is it a mute point?

The 3500kv motor that the 4x4 Slash comes with stock is about 700kv slower than most 10.5's so the comment of a "64kph stock Slash" is a little under rated.

[nexxus]

Hey Nex
Eichay is a comittee member he has been involved in the racing of CORR trucks at West Coast since they first hit the track. He has played a major role in getting this class up and running in this state and getting them included in the 2009 state titles, his hard efforts should pay off shortly seeing the CORR trucks as a sanctioned class in WA.So in short he is right across everything West Coast does and where we are heading as a club and where they are heading at a state level and national level.
While we try to cater to as many classes as possible as Keri said it is not always practical to try and cater to everything.
West Coast is a race club affiliated with the national governing bodies and as such the primary role of West Coast is firstly to support the racing of current sanctioned AARCMCC classes and secondly to promote the sport in general hence the reason CORR trucks are currently running. 2WD CORR trucks still have a way to go before they are sanctioned at a national level and 4wd if ever sanctioned will be futher off again. In the mean time the committee at West Coast do stay accross current RC trends . A year ago no one had even seen a CORR truck at a race track now look where they are. Time will tell how popular 4x4 CORR trucks become and wether they will eventually become a stand alone class or something that does not quite fit in any where.

Thanks for the clarification :)

Personally I have spent too much on my Slash 2wd to change formats, so will keep in that field, just need to clear that triple!

[Mash13]

im spewin I busted my rear hub 20 secs into the 3rd qual. Id only just stuck in my 10.5, did one sick practice lap, and was chompin at the bit then got hacked to the max.
night over boo

[nexxus]

..wasn't me! I left after the 2nd!

[Mash13]

yeah i dunno who it was its all part of racing. Might have "passed on" the slash to my little bro, so he can start racing aswell. Going to look at blitz's tomoz

[skindoggy33]

Mash you drive the slash well give it a go before you turn to blitz :eek:

[Mash13]

cheers Nick, I was going to look at the blitz cause I am thinkin about handin the slash to my little bro to race, as he wants to start out. But the more I look at it, I realise the time ive put into getting it to where it is now, and most probably will buy a blitz for jordan to start with

[momo]

As soon as sticky tyres are put on CORR trucks they lose that tail-sliding appeal
and look like buggies with big bodies on them IMO.
No matter what the format the fun will be sucked out by constant upgrades needed to keep up.

[obzELiTe]

http://www.rccaraction-digital.com/rccaraction/200912/?pg=64


pretty sure the articles headline sums it up nicely.

[Dan]

hmm not so sure about that. I've heard rumours from many that another certain class is gonna be huge next year.

[Mash13]

I'll be pickin up a 4x4 corr truck. I just wanna wait and see what Associated and a few others release first :D

[nexxus]

I don't think a 4wd Corr class will be an issue even next yr. I remember Nightwolf and I had Slash's at least a yr before they were raced locally and a good 6 mths before they were released here!

[lazerzx5]

hate to tell you this boys but racing is all about improvements and upgrading whatever you are racing