Vintage Trans-Am Series EOI

[johnnyboy]

i'll be there

[eichkay]

gents do we have a show of hands for the 1st August for VTA ?

I find it hard to believe any of the regulars would miss this... I'm there for sure.. Bringing my 12th scale just in case as well

[Beev 30]

im there....... loving it ...nice to see close racing ....defiantly a good time

[Beev 30]

we could almost just run every 2 weeks while winter is here and all the offroad guys have nothing to do with there time ....until bayswater off-road is running again anyway

[Lesk]

I will be there to race and help with the off-road track.

[reconrc]

Hey guys, got referred to this thread after watching the VTA vid on youtube posted by eichkay. Awesome class you guys have, pity no such class in Sydney where I'm from. Since I cant race with y'all, its good enough just talking about it here hehe. Word is HPI gonna be releasing new 2010 and 1969 model camaro's, cant wait for the '69.

Post up some current rides/shells, I saw that Brocky Torana shell already, and been told about the hq in HDT colours. BTW that LJ is hawt, shame that the shells dont last long, someone should make em properly.

[Lesk]

Are we going to change the final drive ratio for bayswater?

[Dazz 68]

Hey guys, got referred to this thread after watching the VTA vid on youtube posted by eichkay. Awesome class you guys have, pity no such class in Sydney where I'm from. Since I cant race with y'all, its good enough just talking about it here hehe. Word is HPI gonna be releasing new 2010 and 1969 model camaro's, cant wait for the '69.

Post up some current rides/shells, I saw that Brocky Torana shell already, and been told about the hq in HDT colours. BTW that LJ is hawt, shame that the shells dont last long, someone should make em properly.

Yeah its a good looking class , its great to see all the classic old muscle running big rubber just like cars should be. Some of the guys have managed to find some real hard to get body shells.

I reckon FDR's will need to be looked at for the Baysie track. I popped down last Sunday to open up and help the guys with the final preparations. Afterwards we put my VTA on the track and all had a run of it with 6:1 gearing . After a lap or two for the tyres to warm up the car was an absolute ball to drive and hooked up fairly well. It had enough speed through the tighter sections of the track but took a while to get down the straight. I can see every one getting into a gearing war to gain extra speed down the straight . Even if every one is running the same FDR there will be large speed differences between the fastest and slowest cars due to different motor/speedie combinations .At the tight PRECC track having the best top speed isn't any where near the advantage it will be on the much faster and more open Baysie track I think the best way to keep things even will to be to allow drivers choice of FDR and motor timing options but stick to no advance allowed on the speedies. This will still keep a limit on how fast the cars ultimately go as well as keeping a more level playing field for those not running the lastest and greatest speedies.We have all seen how fast the latest esc's can push a stock motor when assited with huge timing advance.
I ran the car with a 4200 mah battery pack that had already done 2 races at PRECC and a ten minute drive on the carpet around my office. It still managed to run for over twenty minutes before we pulled it off the track with no sign of slowing down. At 6:1 FDR the motor was only at room temp. I can see some great racing some time in the future with half hours races , no battery changes and 15+ drivers on the track.

[eichkay]

I think we'll keep the FDR limit in place or now, and see what its like with a bunch of us out there, might see some drafting and slowly going past the other down the straight.. might be painfull to watch your car limping along down the straight with restricted FDR but 4 or 5 out of the corner onto the straight together will be a heap of fun..

[Dazz 68]

Hey I have no problem with a minimum FDR of 6 or what ever number is decided to nobble the max speed of the cars and keep the racing close. Heaps of these on the track with bumper to bumper racing all at similar speeds will be a hoot.But the fact is it doesnt create an even playing field, have a look at what is happening at PRECC. Most of the guys are running 6 or higher yet there are a few cars that go past the rest of the field down the straights like they are standing still.Are they cheating , no , different motor speedie combos produce different results Some motors are torquey some are revvy. Some speedies even with no timing advance will rev a motor a lot harder than others. I am running a Novak in VTA and at 6:1 get no ballooming of tires yet others with the same gearing nearly have them flying off the rims. My LRP speedie revs a stock motor harder than my Novak and my Mamba speedy in unsensored mode with no timing advance is nearly 30-40% faster than the Novak . I have different motors with different characteristics. My x12 has to be geared hard as it makes heaps of torque but doesn't rev as high as my Orion which revs well.

IF you want to keep speeds really even I can bring down a speed gun . Pick an average speed and allow slower cars to gear up , make faster ones gear down.Or just do it by eye. A complex solution for sure but will ensure close racing. The original idea of everybody running the same ezyrun combo also solves the speed issues but a lot of the reason this class has taken off is it is cheap to get into and making everyone fork out more money for the combo will take away some of its appeal. Limiting the cars to a very modest FDR certainly goes a long way to evening up the field. This means cars aren't running to the edge of their abilities so a cheap TT01 chassis can run competitively against a much more expensive race car. Take Keri's 20 year old TB02 it is regularly the fastest car on the track yet no one would say is a good a race car as a TC5 or xray. Also most people would have a spare speedy and stock motor lying around.

[reconrc]

Yeah Dazz68, I have seen your Firebird shell - its hawt man. Such a rare shell too, I was going to buy one but they are very pricey. But u r a firebird fan so its worth every cent in that case lol. What other rare shells have popped up, and any pics of that HQ?

[eichkay]

I was thinking speed gun check aswell Darren... I do suspect illegal speedy use tho, I havent really gone looking but the ballooning tyres is a given as mine don't that's for sure.

Its a bit hard tho, keeping it a cheap class yet control and limit to even up is always going to be hard... Without a spec speedy and motor combo which we don't really want to do I don't think.

[Dazz 68]

Yeah Dazz68, I have seen your Firebird shell - its hawt man. Such a rare shell too, I was going to buy one but they are very pricey. But u r a firebird fan so its worth every cent in that case lol. What other rare shells have popped up, and any pics of that HQ?

There is a couple of seventies corvette stingrays on the way already racing are an XC falcon coupe, XY GT falcon, XD falcon.I have seen an LH or LX Torana as well but is hasn't hit the track yet. It is just a pity most of the Australian body shells are only good for shelf queens , they shatter on impact.Sorry not sure if any one has taken a photo HQ yet.

[Lesk]

You can easily check FDR at the track by putting a mark on the side wall of a rear tyre and the motor pinion gear, then put the car on a flat surface and roll the car for one tyre revolution while counting the number of revolutions the motor pinion takes.
I did this and found out that my actual diff ratio is 2.5 to 1 instead of what the book said it was 2.7 to 1.

[Gnome]

I have to purchase a new brushless motor for the VTA class, at the moment I have a novak GTB 13.5 brushless set up in a TA05, what make of motor would be recommended to run with this speedy.

[Dazz 68]

I was thinking speed gun check aswell Darren... I do suspect illegal speedy use tho, I havent really gone looking but the ballooning tyres is a given as mine don't that's for sure.

Its a bit hard tho, keeping it a cheap class yet control and limit to even up is always going to be hard... Without a spec speedy and motor combo which we don't really want to do I don't think.

Yeh speed gun would be cool ,just set a comfortable speed that everone can achieve then let the guys gear as close as they can to that speed with out going over it . The great thing is all the guys running the class are doing it in the spirit of good sportmanship. I dont have any issues allowing a slower car to be geared up to keep up with me down the straight. And vice versa I dont mind dropping my gearing a cog or two if I prove to be faster than everybody else.

Hey Gnome , pretty well any 17.5 will be ok for this class. As the cars are all run well below their potential there is not much to be gained from buying a top end motor just to get that little bit extra. Unless you plan to use it for more serious stock class racing any budget motor will serve you fine. If you a happy to buy a top end motor there are many good choices I have used the Orion Vortex which was very good but the fastest motor I have used to date is the LRP X12 what a brute they are.

[Beev 30]

man pull your skirt up get real ...cheating ? its bullshit like this that makes people stop enjoying what there doing .my tires balloon but i cant pass keri on the straight ....if i have something set wrong fair enough but i have double checked and it all stock to spec..everyone has always told me there is a a crybaby around but i seen it clear as a bell now ...enjoy vta for im out of this bullshit....

[eichkay]

man pull your skirt up get real ...cheating ? its bullshit like this that makes people stop enjoying what there doing .my tires balloon but i cant pass keri on the straight ....if i have something set wrong fair enough but i have double checked and it all stock to spec..everyone has always told me there is a a crybaby around but i seen it clear as a bell now ...enjoy vta for im out of this bullshit....

Pm sent geroge my comment wasn't directed at yourself , Im wondering about another car which I haven't had a chance to look at, it was remarkably quicker than yours that's all.

[z00m]

The new hobbywing stock speedy without the advance is very reasonably priced and would make an excellent spec unit. Now there is some momentum in the class, why not mandate the use of a stock spec speedy/motor for next year now, then everyone can be prepared.

[Dazz 68]

Hey Beev dont get too stressed no body thinks any cheating is going on. What we are saying is FDR limits are a good start to evening up the racing but not the bee all and end all. The PRECC track is all about handling as it is tight and technical , the straight is short and very little time can be gained by going faster down the straight .Hell Im not that quick but have to back off mid straight to get around the corner . Every one is running pretty much right on the 6:1 limit but it is obvious there is a large gap in speed between the fastest and slowest cars this will become very apparent on the wide open spaces of the Baysie track. I think everone will agree my VTA is probably the worst handling on the track yet I could run it around Baysie flat out for most of the lap.If every one is in the same boat it will all come down to who has the fastest straight line speed. Some speedy/motor combinations will rev a lot harder than others . Remember when the CO27 stock motors came out they did not rev as hard as some of the other choice motors at the time but you could gear the hell out of them and they pulled like freight trains yet if these motors were to run in a class subject to FDR restrictions they would not be competitive.My point is the same FDR wont work for every body . If we stick to the good spirit the class has been raced in so far I reckon most the drivers would be cool with allowing the slowest cars to gear up a bit and the fastest to be geared down a bit. Obviously this is only to even up straight line speed. Around corners and the rest of the track is up to the driving and set up skills of the driver. Which is going to leave me at a huge deficit, got any good set up tips .

[obzELiTe]

yeah, i think fdr's are only the start of making the class even, my tires just start to balloon but georges full on expand, yet down the straight last week i have a faster car and my fastest lap was only 1/100 a second behind keri and george.

The new speed passion hes running will rev like noone business with no restistance, but as soon as it has to move the car on carpet simple physics and the lack of power bring it back down. thats why the speed passion works so well with the mamba max pro so you change its timing and make use of the revs it can produce.
pretty sure kai will attest to that.

a good handicap system of chucking on ballast may even the field as in the Australian Touring Car Challenge where winners just get more weight to slow them down and even the field.
either that or we get a rolling road and limit everyone to a top speed regardless of fdr, that at least counts for different motor/speedy combos.

[domekat]

I am running the TA02 like Keri, his has more bling than mine, we checked speeds on the track last week and his car is faster than mine yet we raced the exact same gearing - so motors and speedies do have a bearing on top speed.

Also lets not redure the FDR any further ,we are as near to 6.5 that we can get (6.44), yet cant go any lower than that as the gears just arnt available for the gearboxes.

It would be a shame that our vintage cars became reduntant again because we cant keep up with the rest of the field based on FDRs.

[Gnome]

Do you think that next year the class will have a control speedy and motor in place, because as I have to purchase a new motor now to be elegible, I would rather get the right one now. If not can anyone recommend where to get the LRP X12 from.

[Dazz 68]

Do you think that next year the class will have a control speedy and motor in place, because as I have to purchase a new motor now to be elegible, I would rather get the right one now. If not can anyone recommend where to get the LRP X12 from.

Hard to say too early to make a call . I think every one will have a better idea where the class is heading after there have been a few runs at Bayswater. The formula has been working pretty well at PRECC but may need some tweaking to work well at West Coast.One of the reasons this class has taken off is it is cheap to get into. You can use an old touring car chassis and be competitive. You can also use any old speedy and stock motor you have spare and once again still be competititve.

[Gnome]

Another suggestion, as the class is gaining popularity, the group will more than likely have to be split into 2 at PRECC, as more than 10 cars on the track at any one time is chaotic. Why not have one group as is at the moment and another with a control motor and speedy for people who have to puchase new equipment to compete or who want to change into a control class. Unfortunately I am in the same situation as George and work away as well, so am unable to attend all meetings, but ordered wheels,tires and bodyshell from Harris RC and received them within 2 days.

As i have no idea about brushless motors, would the hobbywing 17.5 motor and esc be a good setup to start with, or use the novak GTB esc and a lrp X12.

[Mash13]

could I run hpi's Ford GT? http://www.hpiracing.com/products/en/7495/

[Dazz 68]

could I run hpi's Ford GT? http://www.hpiracing.com/products/en/7495/

That one was brought up somewhere earlier in this thread its more of a super car than a muscle car alot more in common with a Lamborgini or top shelf Ferrari. It is a hot looking shell though for a ford.

[eichkay]

Inside the LRP sphere im running in my VTA, i cooked this real good once while racing and thus its in this car, still going strong.. had it open on saturday replacing the receiver wire loom thought id take a happy snap of the fets that have slid on the board and a couple of cracked ones.

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee146/eichkay/LRP-Sphere-Chips.jpg

[Dazz 68]

Similar story with the GTB I am running. A while ago I accidently hooked it up in reverse for a split second. The puff of smoke instantly told me I hadn't done my speedy any favors. And similar to Keri's I could see a couple of blown FET's on a couple of the phases. The speedy still run but would thermal 2-3 mins into a race running a 10.5. No problems at all running a 17.5 can run all day. I know of two other GTB's that suffered the same fate after being hooked up in reverse so all is not lost even with a couple of blown FET's they still have a use.

[eichkay]

Similar story with the GTB I am running. A while ago I accidently hooked it up in reverse for a split second. The puff of smoke instantly told me I hadn't done my speedy any favors. And similar to Keri's I could see a couple of blown FET's on a couple of the phases. The speedy still run but would thermal 2-3 mins into a race running a 10.5. No problems at all running a 17.5 can run all day. I know of two other GTB's that suffered the same fate after being hooked up in reverse so all is not lost even with a couple of blown FET's they still have a use.

This one still runs fine with a 8.5 I just keep it handy as a backup but it's been in the VTA the whole time working well.

[eichkay]

Some photos Don took with Andrews camera, Andrew was running the white and grey vett , he just posted these photos on our drift forum*

Here are some pics from the weekends antics, had a blast and will be back for more, suprisingly i didn't even cringe when i took my first spill, but it's safe to say the Vett, she ain't pretty no more ...

All credit goes to Don for getting these pics

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[eichkay]

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[eichkay]

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[eichkay]

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[eichkay]

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[eichkay]

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[eichkay]

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[eichkay]

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[Deceptive]

had a great time, cheers for letting me take part. I'm going to try me best to get pics up tomorrow night of the core trucks and F1 racers as well.

[z00m]

Similar story with the GTB I am running. A while ago I accidently hooked it up in reverse for a split second. The puff of smoke instantly told me I hadn't done my speedy any favors. And similar to Keri's I could see a couple of blown FET's on a couple of the phases. The speedy still run but would thermal 2-3 mins into a race running a 10.5. No problems at all running a 17.5 can run all day. I know of two other GTB's that suffered the same fate after being hooked up in reverse so all is not lost even with a couple of blown FET's they still have a use.
This one still runs fine with a 8.5 I just keep it handy as a backup but it's been in the VTA the whole time working well.

For any Novak speedies that are upset, don't forget that Novak has a replacement/upgrade program where you can send in your speedy and get a new one or even upgrade to a different one. You can send a broken GTB in and have it replaced with the latest Kinetic for $89USD so keep in mind this excellent service if ever you have a Novak that is in less than optimum shape.

[Dazz 68]

Excellent spot Zoom. I just had a look and the deal is even better than you posted. I can upgrade my 2 dodgy GTB's For $74 US each as that is the swap over price for any speedy in their first class list. And upgrade my blown GTX for $89 US. I think I may have 3 speedies on their way to the US shortly. I was going to buy another Mamba Max pro or two but at the change over price the new Kinetics are definately worth a look at.

[z00m]

I've got a broken GTB that I will be changing over for a Kinetic now that they are shipping.

[05brocky]

Check the shipping prices they aren't the best

[obzELiTe]

Excellent spot Zoom. I just had a look and the deal is even better than you posted. I can upgrade my 2 dodgy GTB's For $74 US each as that is the swap over price for any speedy in their first class list. And upgrade my blown GTX for $89 US. I think I may have 3 speedies on their way to the US shortly. I was going to buy another Mamba Max pro or two but at the change over price the new Kinetics are definately worth a look at.

i could be readin this wrong, but the kinetics dont have an upgrade price next to them so it doesnt look like they are included apart from being able to trade a 2s for a 1s version.

[Dazz 68]

Check the shipping prices they aren't the best

Yeh just checked them. Jeez if I were to pay postage for 4 items it would almost be cheaper to fly over to the US myself to drop them off what a joke.Back to plan 1 and flog my worn out GTB's to death and buy a couple Mamba Max Pro's

[obzELiTe]

are we racing 2nite?

[D-LUKS]

i am... it is scheduled to run.

[GT Graphics2]

I'm in...it'll be my first so mind the learner!!

[Dazz 68]

Yep we are expected

[Lesk]

I am racing tonight.

[lazerzx5]

does any one have a old tamiya tao5 roller thats not being used .thinking of getting into vintage trans.am. pm me with price

[Stephen R]

Just asking the question is there a list of eligible body`s that can be run?
I`d be interested to run something like an RX3 that was ran in the australian touring car championships.

[domekat]

Muscle cars?

[globe]

Just asking the question is there a list of eligible body`s that can be run?
I`d be interested to run something like an RX3 that was ran in the australian touring car championships.

The first page of this thread has info on bodies .

[obzELiTe]

there are quite a few australian muscle cars running now

[mik068]

Don't forget racing this Sunday VTA at WCMRC On-Road

[DJ84WA]

I'll be down for my first attempt at on-road racing.
Look for the orange/black cuda. :)

[eichkay]

More supplies... now i can start my other shell for the RDX.

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[obzELiTe]

what u need is a decent scanner and some 2400dpi tiff's :)

[eichkay]

what u need is a decent scanner and some 2400dpi tiff's :)

I've got a ok scanner I was going to scan them befor I did anything, I'll check if itlldo 2400dpi

[nexxus]

Where do you get RDX parts? I need a lower king pin and you think I can find one??

[revsinc]

http://www.teamcorally.com.au/shop/

[nexxus]

Ahh ok just wondered if there was anywhere else as I did an order with them yesterday, so not sure how long it takes.

[BIG PETE]

More supplies... now i can start my other shell for the RDX.



did you get those couple of sticker sheets for me keri

[eichkay]

did you get those couple of sticker sheets for me keri

These one's I found on ebay while waiting for my car to be serviced.. which are vintage ones that are not made anymore, i haven't got around to ordering the others yet sorry.

[eichkay]

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[Matt C]

Awesome! Like the Driver and interior detail too, raisin the bar Keri :D

[nexxus]

Bloody hell, and here I am figuring out how to paint more than one colour on my Cuda shell.

Great work!

[Dazz 68]

If that car makes him any faster its BANNED and that had better not be the Stig driving for him

[eichkay]

Bloody hell, and here I am figuring out how to paint more than one colour on my Cuda shell.

Great work!

There's 4 different colors in the paint on this baby..

[nexxus]

We could limit him to a 10.00 FDR with the 17.5?

[Mash13]

Could I be competitive with a sports tuned motor and lowend tamiya esc?? I just dont wanna rape my other cars for electrics!

[eichkay]

Could I be competitive with a sports tuned motor and lowend tamiya esc?? I just dont wanna rape my other cars for electrics!

Yes very much so to the black can and tamiya ESC.. Andrew was running the white corvette and got 2nd and 3rds a couple of times

[eichkay]

We could limit him to a 10.00 FDR with the 17.5?

Myself and Darren have been nominated as the pinion police we can allow others to bump up or bump down a tooth here and there, Lee was running 6.0 and ended up in the low 5's to get him up to even pace straight line speed with the rest of us.. Some really close racing and laughs were had today.

[Dazz 68]

Yeh some great racing today with a couple of small tweaks all the cars are very similar in speed now and the packs are starting to bunch up nicely for realy close racing. Several times today there were packs of up to six cars with less than 3 meters between the lot running side by side for several laps at a time. It was really good with very similar speeds and the close racing seeing how you could gain or loose a little here and there by taking different lines.

Could I be competitive with a sports tuned motor and lowend tamiya esc?? I just dont wanna rape my other cars for electrics!.

Definately , there were a couple of new cars today running tamiya sport tuned motors and they had no problems matching pace with every one else they actually started the day a little on the quick side one was geared back a bit to even up to better match speeds with every one else.

[big tim]

finally got myself a car and should be at next meet heres a few pics
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[Mash13]

Sweet ride Tim! I am all sorted now with tires shell motor speedy. I am building two cars, my Xray T2R for me and an old TA05 for my Dad

[nexxus]

Hoping to have my RDX ready by the end of the week as well.

Drivers stand may get crowded!

[Mash13]

My FDR will be 6.13, Sound ok?

[eichkay]

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Sorry for the poor camera work i was driving and must a handed the camera to some random with parkinsons possibly :)

[Dazz 68]

My FDR will be 6.13, Sound ok?

Its a good start and shouldn't be too far off the mark,see how it goes on the track. Bring whatever pinions you have and it can be geared up/down to match everybody else.

Nice vid Keri.
I am losing track of the weeks , are we running this wednesday at PRECC ?

[eichkay]

Next offical run at precc is 1st Sept...

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[05brocky]

Nice tim love the drop tank very cool

[johnnyboy]

best day's racing i have had in a long time keep up the good work vta guys

[DJ84WA]

I had a blast! :D
Looking forward to the next meet at Bayswater.

[eichkay]

reminder VTA at Precc this wednesday .

[Lesk]

I will be there.

[obzELiTe]

I was in till 5 mins ago when the missus decided a twilight home open Wednesday night was a good idea.

[nexxus]

I'm in (had to pre-book a couple of weeks ago with the wife)

[mik068]

im in need my vta fix

[GT Graphics2]

Anyone racing vta this Wednesday at precc? I'm going to go down for a blast, be good if a couple more turn up?!

[eichkay]

Anyone racing vta this Wednesday at precc? I'm going to go down for a blast, be good if a couple more turn up?!

Bound to be a couple going, simon j most likey and Glenn is bound to be there.. It's the F1 official round, so that's what I'll be fighting around the track.

[nexxus]

I'm out this week, still waiting on bits for my TC5 to show so I can get this rear diff sorted.

[LordAnubis]

Bound to be a couple going, simon j most likey and Glenn is bound to be there.. It's the F1 official round, so that's what I'll be fighting around the track.

F1 official round? As in the WA f1 series thingo?

[eichkay]

F1 official round? As in the WA f1 series thingo?

Yes that is correct.

[Stewbaru]

Can I trouble you guys for a list of 'approved' chassis, or at least what you guys are running.

Ive seen half the alphabet already (AE, HB, TC5R etc).:confused::confused:
I am interested in getting into this, I have resisted racing in the past cos speed costs money, but seeing as you are limited, it comes down to driver skill/error.
Once a month also almost agrees with 'er-in-doors.

Any info offered would be appreciated.

Oh, are you are running lipo's or are stickpacks still competitive?

[Stewbaru]

Does this look like a good starting point?

on RCTech (http://www.rctech.net/forum/australia-sale-trade/432136-asc-tc5r-heaps.html)

[eichkay]

Can I trouble you guys for a list of 'approved' chassis, or at least what you guys are running.

Ive seen half the alphabet already (AE, HB, TC5R etc).:confused::confused:
I am interested in getting into this, I have resisted racing in the past cos speed costs money, but seeing as you are limited, it comes down to driver skill/error.
Once a month also almost agrees with 'er-in-doors.

Any info offered would be appreciated.

Oh, are you are running lipo's or are stickpacks still competitive?

Any 4wd standard Touring chassis is legal..

Cars that are being used that i know of currently..
Tamiya TA02
Tamiya TA05
Tamiya TB evo5
AE TC5
Xray T009
Corally RDX
Hongnor X10e
HPI Sprint
HPI Sprint 2
Losi JRX-Spro
Schumacher Mi3

You'll find nearly any car will be competitive, Doug is doing very well with a TA02 after sorting the suspension issues out and is up the front now.

It all comes down to driver and setup ideally..

Some are using stick packs.. the extra weight would help with handling somewhat.. but most are running lipo's i think.

[Stewbaru]

If I do pick up a roller, can I use a CC Sidewinder or Mamba max speedie?

I already need to buy tyres rims and a body in addition to the above TC5 (if I get it).

[eichkay]

If I do pick up a roller, can I use a CC Sidewinder or Mamba max speedie?

I already need to buy tyres rims and a body in addition to the above TC5 (if I get it).

If you get the mamba max pro you'll have to enable the no boost timing option on it, i dont know much about the sidewinder but i think thats fine as it doesnt have tho's boosting features. (someone correct me if im wrong please)

[nexxus]

The Sidewinder has no boost features but seems to cog on a 17.5 motor, the Hobbywing Ez-Run 35A and 60A Speedies are half the price, smaller, and cog a lot less.

The best way to be successful in this class is to run smooth, consistant laps, even a TL-01 can be competitive.

Tony's TC5 that u have linked to would be a great starting point, more spares than you'll ever need, Mik and I run the TC5, check the diffs (Mine had no thrust bearing, so I had zero rear traction under power) and also the Motor Mount can get buckled fairly easily if the motor gets a big hit. If you do run Lipos, you will benefit from a Lipo tray and some weights just to balance out the left and right sides.

[Stewbaru]

Do the EZ runs handle brushless?

[nexxus]

Yeah the Ez-Run 35A and 60A are Brushless only ESC's

http://www.hobbycity.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=7188&Product_Name=Turnigy__Brushless_ESC_60A_w/_Reverse_prog._(v2.2)

and
http://www.hobbycity.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=7186&Product_Name=Turnigy_Brushless_ESC_35A_CAR_ESC

[Stewbaru]

Next silly question.

if I go silver can, can I use the LRP AI esc?

Oh, Cog = stutter = slow take-off?

[nexxus]

Nah that'll be fine, cogging is caused by sensorless ESC's trying to determine the location of the rotor in a brushless motor so it knows which of the 3 phases to fire.

A Brushed Silver Can you can gear the living s#it out of it, and shouldn't stutter.

[eichkay]

Next silly question.

if I go silver can, can I use the LRP AI esc?


Yes that will be fine.. some guys are using tamiya esc's with the silver cans

[Stewbaru]

Righto then.

Will be joining you guys trackside with:

Associated TC5R - alloy n carbon fibre (according to photos) should make it nice n expensive to fix...
GTB ESC w/- LiPo cut out and Teampower 17.5T BL.

Body will be either HK Munro or Torana (maybe a Camaro).

Do you have to BYO transponder?
When is next meet (just in case I can get my sh!z sorted in time).?

[Stewbaru]

Heh, do I have to wear L plates?

[nexxus]

The TC5 is fairly good parts price wise, and if you're getting the whole lot off Tony, you're pretty set, only additional part I'd get is a Motor Mount.

I "think" Precc hire out Transponders, not 100% on that. I think it's Presidents Cup Qualifying next Wed, then Races the following Wed, so the Wed after that is the VTA round (eichkay can confirm)

L plates are optional, if you only crash into cars with headlights on, you'll be sweet :D

[skindoggy33]

TC5 is a top notch car in my opinion the best all round TC car you can get (parts avaliability, price of parts, strenght of the car, just all round good, handeling and tunability)

Thanks Nick (my 2 cents)

[Deceptive]

Howdy fella's, i have picked up a new chassis to run in the VTA (corally was a lil expensive to fix), the chassis of choice was a TA05 VerII, got a small problem though there doesn't seem to be enough clearance on the front when mounting a +0mm offset 26mm wide vintage rim, to be honest there is zero clearance, not sure if i have done anything wrong, i went back though the instructions and everything seems fine the way i have assembled.

Pics will show what i mean .... if there is anyone running an 05 that can help, would be much appreciated, cheers.

Ball end is really close to the rim, but doesn't rub ...
http://i794.photobucket.com/albums/yy226/Deceptive_photos/IMG_0308.jpg

The rim has contact and rubs on both front knuckles ....
http://i794.photobucket.com/albums/yy226/Deceptive_photos/IMG_0307.jpg?t=1284901799

[Dazz 68]

Yeah the IFS model will rub a little.we fitted johny's with the output shafts from the standard TA05 and that gave an extra couple of mills clearance.it also required different bearings to make it work. The easiest option is to order some wheel hex adaptors with extra offset to fix the problem. Try twokeytwokeybird on eBay oz $10 delivered for the bits you need

[Deceptive]

i knew there had to be a simple fix for it.

Went on a site i goto regularly and picked up a set of ali 7mm thick hex adaptors, hopefully that should work a treat.

Cheers for the help, much appreciated

[nexxus]

Had the data logger on Sunday, amp draw on these is pretty low, here is the graph from Finals Race 3:

[eichkay]

VTA's offical 4weekly run at PRECC this coming Wednesday the 29th Sept

[DJ84WA]

Will be there. Looking forward to my first race at PRECC.

[Stewbaru]

TC5 delivered Wednesday. GOOD
Lee @ PRC just called, my wheels, body, rims are in. BETTER.

I booked annual leave for next week and I'll be in the bush Wednesday night. BUGGER.

still, gives me a month to paint, glue n tweak.

[nexxus]

Still trying to find decent balance on my TC5, got more steering left than right (as the left is heavier even with the data logger above the battery) put some weights on the edge of the Associated Lipo Brace, but if that doesn't work may have to get the Exotec chassis. Will probably slap my TC shell and some 24's on during non VTA weeks and run novice just to get some practice.

[Stewbaru]

I am really interested in your low mA LiPo theories and VTA.
I use 1600 and 2200 2S packs in my crawlers, these may be just the ticket for racing. not too weighty, matey.

I recently picked up some Hobbyking 1300/3s/30c packs. MY GOD they punch. Too big for VTA though....:D

[nexxus]

Well from what I saw, a 2200 pack will get you through a 7 min main at Bayswater, so easily do a 5 min main at Precc. Not sure on the amp draw on the indoor track, will put the logger in Wed night and see what it comes up with.

Keep in mind we still have to use hard case lipos though.

[eichkay]

I am really interested in your low mA LiPo theories and VTA.
I use 1600 and 2200 2S packs in my crawlers, these may be just the ticket for racing. not too weighty, matey.

I recently picked up some Hobbyking 1300/3s/30c packs. MY GOD they punch. Too big for VTA though....:D

Batteries must be ROAR/AARCMCC Legal 2s Hardcase's, and on a side note: have said lightweight battery is all good and well but you'll have to add weight to get the car upto legal weight of a TC car.

[nexxus]

Legal weight is 1430 now?

I think in AARCMCC sanctioned events I can't run the logger either as it's classed as a drivers aid.

[Mash13]

Is VTA running this Sun at baysy?

[nexxus]

I believe so

[eichkay]

Is VTA running this Sun at baysy?

Yes onroad at west coast this weekend...

[Stewbaru]

Guys,

There is a 6.0:1 Final Drive Ration Limit

The TC5 has a transmission ratio of 2:1.
Does this mean a need to select a pinion/spur ratio of around 3:1 to achieve the FDR of 6:1

Currently installed is a 69T spur, so I need to get pinions from 23 to 27T?

23T gives FDR of 6.00 (69/23 = 3) x2 =6.00?

Haven't played with this stuff before so am getting a little :confused:

[nexxus]

I'll double check what I am running in my TC5 but I am pretty sure my FDR is around the 6.1 area. Also on the TC5 with Lipos make sure you set up the balance left to right as well, I found the car very sensitive to one side carrying more weight than the other.

[eichkay]

Guys,

There is a 6.0:1 Final Drive Ration Limit

The TC5 has a transmission ratio of 2:1.
Does this mean a need to select a pinion/spur ratio of around 3:1 to achieve the FDR of 6:1

Currently installed is a 69T spur, so I need to get pinions from 23 to 27T?

23T gives FDR of 6.00 (69/23 = 3) x2 =6.00?

Haven't played with this stuff before so am getting a little :confused:

Your 100% correct .. but if you want pinions youll need to go 19 - 23t as pending motor/esc combo vs staightline speed compaired to the rest of the field you might be dumped down in speed, stay the same or bumped up.. if you manage to get bumped up youll need 23-26t area, providing your running brushless that is... the brushed motor guys are running mid 7.0FDR's

[Stewbaru]

got the choice of a silver can or 17.5T Teampower BL at the mo.

Haven't decided which to go with...

[Stewbaru]

Reading more into Eich's last post:

Brushless - FDR 6 (ish)
Brushed - FDR 7 +

Is there a subset or rules for Motor/ESC/Combo/Type or is the club just speed matching?

[nexxus]

...essentially if you beat eichkay, you're too fast :P

(which means I could run a 4.5 brushless in there and be safe)

[eichkay]

Reading more into Eich's last post:

Brushless - FDR 6 (ish)
Brushed - FDR 7 +

Is there a subset or rules for Motor/ESC/Combo/Type or is the club just speed matching?

It's straight-line speed matching, there are a couple of cars used as a bench mark, mine is one as it's maxed out at 6.5 fdr and is as quick as some others at 6.0 ...Darren is also used as a bench mark as his is just at a tad quicker.

[nexxus]

Just had a look I am running 26/78 for a FDR of 6.0 precisely. This puts me marginally slower than Eichkay straight line, but I am running an older Trinity Duo Brushless motor and a 3 y/old Nosram ESC . The new brushless motors like the Ballistic, Speed Passion V3 etc may need to be geared differently.

[eichkay]

Just had a look I am running 26/78 for a FDR of 6.0 precisely. This puts me marginally slower than Eichkay straight line, but I am running an older Trinity Duo Brushless motor and a 3 y/old Nosram ESC . The new brushless motors like the Ballistic, Speed Passion V3 etc may need to be geared differently.

Im also running a old Duo series Fantom, on a old 2007 comp spec LRP , well i was until i killed it the other week with a brain fade reverse polarity so currently its out of action with state titles just around the corner.

[Stewbaru]

Next silly Qu: Does PRECC allow a trial period?
If I run the October date, I will be 2 days inside the November cut for 2010 membership extending to 2011. Do you get a one run allowance to see how you go or will I need to pay 2010 membership, then 2011 membership a month later?

[obzELiTe]

you don't need to join, you just pay the non member fee on the night

[nexxus]

Im also running a old Duo series Fantom, on a old 2007 comp spec LRP , well i was until i killed it the other week with a brain fade reverse polarity so currently its out of action with state titles just around the corner.

..which is why I run deans and not bullet plugs!

Also keep in mind, although we can't run ESC's with timing advance, most 17.5 motors can have the timing manually adjusted, which increases speed. If I set my motor timing from the 0 it is at now to 20, and left everything as it is I'd still be a legal set up (FDR 6 or under, Non timing ESC, Roar legal packs etc) but would be quicker than eichkay down the straight.

[Stewbaru]

Tried to fit out last night. My 23/69 doesn't work as the two don't actually mesh (read touch).

Have just bought 87T spur and 23/27/28/29 pinions.
Also sorting sensor lead and motor wires for 17.5 Team Power Brushless, Novak GTB and 4600mAh NiMh.

[eichkay]

..which is why I run deans and not bullet plugs!

Also keep in mind, although we can't run ESC's with timing advance, most 17.5 motors can have the timing manually adjusted, which increases speed. If I set my motor timing from the 0 it is at now to 20, and left everything as it is I'd still be a legal set up (FDR 6 or under, Non timing ESC, Roar legal packs etc) but would be quicker than eichkay down the straight.

I'm aware of this, in fact my 17.5 is advanced to 10degrees timing, but at the end of the day it's still a matching speed thing, Ideally you'd want less advancement to get better punch out of the corners and then be matching down the straights.. But thats more of an advantage at PRECC

[nexxus]

Yeah, it's all a general fairness thing and a lot of it is just being honest with each other. If you're dramatically quicker than everyone else down the straight and don't adjust back to the "pack" accordingly, it'll become pretty clear before long. I'm too lazy to look at this timing etc stuff. I still work on 0 timing for a 2 pole motor and 12 degrees timing for a 4 pole.

[Stewbaru]

you don't need to join, you just pay the non member fee on the night

Thks Simon,
Do I need a transponder?

[obzELiTe]

precc are pay to hire one, west coast its included in your nomination

[Stewbaru]

PRECC - Wednesdays monthly right?
Westcoast - when do they run?

Do the both use AMB systems, there are a few under $100 on RCTech....
Is it worth getting one or do you all usually hire?

[nexxus]

I bought one, it's usually easier, and I have only done VTA twice so far. I think PRECC ones it Monthly but you can race any wednesday night, if there is no VTA I think you just run novice.

[obzELiTe]

at west coast its split roughly 50/50 i think, precc i think its more 95% ppl own them cause you're paying to hire them. both amb systems.

[Stewbaru]

Talking to the (one of) guys at PRECC last night, I got the impression that VTA's popularity might dwindling....

Am I kitting up for a dying class, or is it the change of season or something, or were they just being fussy?

[obzELiTe]

i think the VTA racing on the tarmac track might have caused some ppl to drop out of wednesday night racing.

the numbers at west coast don't indicate its popularity is dying.

[nexxus]

lol, everything is dying, I think it's cyclical, I haven't raced VTA for 3-4 weeks (at least) but I'm not quitting it, sometimes life gets in the way.

And to be honest, these things are more suited to the Bayswater track than Carpet

Way I see it, if VTA does stop, all I need to change are a shell and the wheels/tyres :D

[Stewbaru]

Vta Wednesday?

Sort out queries.
1. Car seems to randomly cog like something is getting stuck in mesh, but randomly.
2. Car will donut on right lock but will turn wide on left. EPAs are identical - Weight dist an issue?
3. NiMh 4500mah get me thru a race?

help needed...

[nexxus]

What ESC / Motor are you running?

Steering is left/right balance, when I ran a Lipo, I found I understeered turning right, sounds like you're oversteering with the heavier Nimh.

EPA is misleading, on mine I have 61% one side 70% the other, gives me from 1 degree toe out, 35 degrees at full lock either way.

7 minute mains at Bayswater I was using 900mah

[Stewbaru]

Steer+ balance+ weight distribution I am OK with...
EPA or just inside max travel, which suits me.

Moter - 17.5T Teampower BL
Speedie - Novak GTB - pre lipo cutout.

[obzELiTe]

what camber are you running, mine wanted to loop around all the time until i chucked -3 degrees in all round

[nexxus]

depends on the track too, Precc most people run -3 camber but I found the tyres worked better (at both tracks) running -2 camber and just allowing for more weight transfer using your droop settings. Also run your rear shocks all the way in with soft springs helps with low traction as well.

[Stewbaru]

Dunno, I'll check TC5 set up sheets and maybe have a play tonight.
Either that or stay more than two car lengths away from me....

Who'se racing tomorrow night, whats a normal turnout for VTA?

[lazerzx5]

hey nex how do you know soo much about racing when you hardly ever race

[nexxus]

hey nex how do you know soo much about racing when you hardly ever race

Used to race every weekend between 2005 and 2007 so learnt a bit, plenty of ppl out there with far more knowledge than me however.

[nexxus]

Well it took some doing but I finally got the balance right without needing external balance weights.

Not sure if this will help my driving though :eek:

Packs are roar legal, just got to adjust my gearing as I'm running 6.6V as opposed to 7.4V Lipo (just cos I have to be different!)

[Stewbaru]

Whos at PRECC next Wednesday?

[eichkay]

Whos at PRECC next Wednesday?

I'd most likely be hanging out for a drive, as I'm missing Friday night off road this week and will be in narogin on Sunday for revheads , so come Wednesday I think I'll need some rc input.

[domekat]

I will be there too, hopefully we can get a few cars along, isnt it the last round of the PRECC VTA series

[Stewbaru]

I am going for a hack, and it will be a hack, I'm a once a month racer.....
See youse there.

[Stewbaru]

WTF??

PRECC has dropped VTA as a class for 2011?
They've posted two slots , practice in July and a classic on 3rd Aug, according to the calendar on their site for 2011.
---------------------------------------------------------
Sorry, wrong.

VTA drivers haven't advised dates for 2011, according to Ryan, and there will be a VTA comp mid next year...
Is this class going to go ahead monthly again next year at PRECC?

Jumped the gun there a bit...

[nexxus]

I think you can run Novice on a non VTA night though so you can still get your fix.

[eichkay]

On of the runs i filmed with the GoPro on my car.
5XpihlPJ_bI

[obzELiTe]

nice, i've been holding off getting one till i saw some decent rc footage.

[nexxus]

They're still fairly expensive aren't they?

Waiting on my new motor then will be back amongst it in VTA :D

[Stewbaru]

And I can't watch it at work....
I'll have to wait to see how good my car looks when its gets overtaken........alot.

[eichkay]

And I can't watch it at work....
I'll have to wait to see how good my car looks when its gets overtaken........alot.

It's featured a few times .. :)
I still can't believe I clock good 18 lappers with that weight so high up.

[Stewbaru]

given I can only manage 13 laps on a good day, i reckon I'll see it at least 5 times :p

Thanx for your help last night too. By the end of the night, the back end wasn't overtaking the front nearly as much!

[nexxus]

I think I managed 15/16 at Precc when I tried, although I found the back end slid out a LOT, but in my case it was the rear diff not having a thrust bearing, just a couple of o rings jammed under a washer and the diff screw lol!

[darren75]

When is the next VTA race?

[darren75]

Hey guys, practice nights at PRECC is anyone allowedto go down even though not

a member but considering joining for VTA? Whats the price for PRECC and West Coast looking at trying to do both.

[revsinc]

50 to join at Precc

[Stewbaru]

And $10 a night racing or $15 a night for non members @PRECC. If your only going to do VTA (like me) once a month, it works out the same.....

You can also run in novice class on other nights (or whatever class you fit into).

[nexxus]

Anyone running tomorrow night?

[Stewbaru]

VTA ran last week. that was my once a month.....

[darren75]

Thanks I will be there tomorrow night in novice class:):)

[eichkay]

Thanks I will be there tomorrow night in novice class:):)

I'll be there tomorrow running my pan car around for some testing , if you got any VTA questions give me a holler

[nexxus]

Just some thought on the gearing rules here, as a few meets have happened without Eichkay or Dazz as the "speed test" cars, most people are abiding by the rules set out here, namely FDR 6.0 or higher.

The problem is a 27 Turn Brushed Stock at a FDR of 7ish is about the same speed as an unboosted 17.5 motor at FDR 4ish

So at FDR 6.0, the 27 turn Brushed is a missle compared to the brushless lads.

..after a few calculations:

17.5 Brushless (2200kv), FDR 6.0, 64mm VTA Tyres = roughly 32.68kph @ 7.4 Volts

To make things equal:

A 27 Turn brushed spins at around 22000rpm @ 7.2 Volts
This works out to 3055kv
so Brushed Stock (3055kv), FDR 8.2, 64mm VTA Tyres - roughly 33.16kph @7.4 Volts

A Tamiya Sports Tuned spins at 18300rpm @ 7.2 Volts
= 2542 KV

Sports Tuned, FDR 6.85, 64mm VTA Tyres = 32.98kph @ 7,4 Volts

Therefore limiting FDR's to:

6.0 FDR for 17.5 Brushless
6.85 FDR for Sports Tuned
8.21 FDR for Brushed Stock

as opposed to a blanket 6.0 FDR for all would appear to be a lot fairer and offer a good starting point. Granted, different motors will act differently, my LRP motor with 10 degrees timing and zero timing on esc flew past Alfred with 20 degrees motor timing on his Epic 2.0, zero ESC timing. We both geared at FDR 6.0

So I dialed back to 5 degrees motor timing and it was a lot closer.

Like I said just a thought, but different classes of motors need to be geared differently to be fair.

Any thoughts?

[Dazz 68]

Hey nexxus 6.0 was never a rule only a suggested starting point to give someone an idea of where to start.Although maybe not ideal fixing FDR's for speed matching has for the most part seen some very close racing.This has allowed people running cheaper motor/ chassis combinations to be very competitive making this an excellent entry class for new drivers whilst still being a challenge for the more experienced. I must admit I have been unable to race for a while now so my car is no longer able to be used as one of the benchmarks.

Here is a thought which may be worth some discussion . The object of limiting FDR was to keep the racing close. A idea I had which would solve all FDR and speed issues would be to set a minimum lap time instead and going under would cause you to loose the result for that race.Similar idea to the dial in times used in drag racing where those able to get the closest to the dial in with out going under win. Set a lap time of say around 24 secs at Bayswater which is very acheivable buy most drivers. That way FDR and top speed are no longer an issue. Consistant drivers could gear their cars right on the limit and run as close as they dare to 24 secs with out going under. The more consistent you were the closer you could run to the preset mark.
Slower drivers could gear their cars up to easily acheive 24 secs how ever they would risk breaking out by running a sub 24 lap.Imagine how close and clean the racing would be with every driver aiming to run exactly the same lap time.

[nexxus]

As I said it's just a thought, the Bayswater track had a lot of grip yesterday and most of us ran under 24, Alfred and I both had 22 second laps in one race. Both running FDR 6.0, 17.5 Turn Brushless, so I'm not sure if lap times is a good indicator, almost rewards a new person with a 4.5 turn who's a danger on the straights, but crawls around the corners.

However if the decision was made to go on lap times, I'd give it a go for sure, it's just a case of dropping a pinion or two really.

I know the VTA in the USA have a controlled ESC/Motor combo, I don't think we need to go that far, but like you, I just want to keep it all close.

[obzELiTe]

wonder if the timing system can take a second temp loop at the end of the straight.
that way you can have a timed run flat out down the straight of 8-10 meters. get everyone close to a set time over that distance and i'm pretty sure the racing will be very close.

[z00m]

Dazz's idea is quite inspired. The only thing I would suggest differently would be that you don't lose the entire race for going under the dial in times, you just lose the lap that was under the preset time. The timing system would take care of this so there could be no disputes.

Nex, if 2 people are doing 22s times and the rest are doing 24, then the fairness isn't there. As you said, you could certainly set up your car to meet whatever the prescribed time is. The good part about it is that the fast guys would all be around the same pace so it would come down to mistakes rather than any other factor.

The way to work out the prescribed lap time would be to look at all the laps from a previous meeting (say Sunday if the conditions were good), drop the 3 slowest drivers and the 3 fastest drivers times, average all the other lap times and come up with a number. Pretty straight forward.

It can also be a bit flexible as the technology or grip changes, the time can be adjusted. It is also a process you could use on a given day, if conditions required, you could do it across the first round of qualifying (call it practice instead of qualifying) and come up with a time.

Not being a VTA driver myself I don't know the intricacies of what goes on, but this system would reward precision driving, encourage personal progress and also punish those that try to shonk the system.

Well done Dazz, hope this sees the light of day in the near future.

[nexxus]

It's hard to say what is and isn't fair Sunday we only had 5 in VTA (Modified had 2 and Stock had 3, very quiet race meet), and one blew his ESC first run, the other 2 were relative new comers to racing, and Alfred and I had raced before. To say that we were "not being fair" is a bit harsh, our straight line speed wasn't excessive in comparison to the other cars, I found I gained ground on people through the infield sections of the track, not on the straight.

Perhaps a straight line drag before each race? All cars flat stick from one end of the straight to the other, if one car is clearly faster they start 1 lap down or failing that they dial out some speed by dropping the throttle end point on their radio, a quick check before each race for this wouldn't be hard to do.

[Dazz 68]

There was no suggestion to change the motor limit keep the stock motors I think they are spot on for this class. But are VTA's running 22 sec laps now? . This highlights where FDR and speed restrictions are failing . I havent raced VTA for about 2 months yet when I was racing there was no way any one in the field could have gotten a 22 sec lap.The fastest most consistent drivers running perfect laps would rarely crack 24 secs. The speed has obviously crept up a little somewhere on at least a couple of the cars which means now other cars will need to bump up their speed a little to keep up.Speed testing before a race could be done but would be time consuming and easy to abuse it would be all too easy to hold off a bit down the straight disguising your true speed and then use it else where on the track. A set lap time leaves no room for guesswork if you run faster you get penalised . ZooM's idea would be interesting and offer a real challenge. Chuck a heap of lap times in the hat and pull out one at random making that the minimum lap for the day

[nexxus]

That could work, you can set the minimum lap time on Allycat can't you? Anything under 24 seconds and the lap isn't recorded.

[DinPerth]

I have been looking at getting into to VTA as my first on road class, and I will be setting a car up in the new year.

I like the idea of limiting the lap times as it can all be done by Allycat and it cancels out any arguing.

Great idea Dazz.

[Dazz 68]

Yes Alleycat can take care of it all. Minimum lap time can be set for each individual class so other classes would not be affected

[nexxus]

..so you can be as quick as you like but any lap time under 24 seconds will be a nil count. Certainly would make things interesting and fairer.

[eichkay]

There was no suggestion to change the motor limit keep the stock motors I think they are spot on for this class. But are VTA's running 22 sec laps now? . This highlights where FDR and speed restrictions are failing . I havent raced VTA for about 2 months yet when I was racing there was no way any one in the field could have gotten a 22 sec lap.The fastest most consistent drivers running perfect laps would rarely crack 24 secs. The speed has obviously crept up a little somewhere on at least a couple of the cars which means now other cars will need to bump up their speed a little to keep up.Speed testing before a race could be done but would be time consuming and easy to abuse it would be all too easy to hold off a bit down the straight disguising your true speed and then use it else where on the track. A set lap time leaves no room for guesswork if you run faster you get penalised . ZooM's idea would be interesting and offer a real challenge. Chuck a heap of lap times in the hat and pull out one at random making that the minimum lap for the day

I also haven't run in a few months due to someone arguing with me on the day when i was trying to get the his speeds down. It just put a real damper on my enthusiasm to turn up.

[eichkay]

..so you can be as quick as you like but any lap time under 24 seconds will be a nil count. Certainly would make things interesting and fairer.

I think that'll sort it out for sure... I know with my gearing and 0.25 cons closest i got was 24.300 but mostly high 24's or low 25's anyone cracking 23 more than once without a short cut over the grass really needs to be looked at, never mind 22's

[nexxus]

Actually a quick scan of the results on the West Coast site shows a couple of 23's there eichkay. Either way it's beside the point, if everyone agrees on a set lap time, we can all set up our cars accordingly. I think you'll find that people setting up cars to run 22-23's was a reaction to brushed motors not being toned down to be equal to the rest of the field, one person is quicker, so the rest creep up and before you know it we'll be running 19's and 20's! (All within the rules though) Best to put a lid on it now. For me all I think I need to do is change the one dot insert for a 2 dot insert in my motor.

[domekat]

I would agree 24 second minimum lap would be a great starting point. Go faster than than that and discard the lap. Its then up to the driver to make sure he is doing the right thing.

[eichkay]

As a trail i think the next couple of runs should be done this way , i think darren's idea is great and will remove any confusion and will bring it all down to setup and clean lines, because once a driver starts getting well close to that 24.000 he can make the call themselves to bump back and play it safe or ride the edge and hope for the best

[nexxus]

Ok cool, so set the min lap at 24 seconds

Anyone racing Bayswater on the 19th? (10.30 racing start, gates open 9am as Kai is running it while Alfred is away) Would like to see more than 4/5 VTA's out there :)

[eichkay]

Ok cool, so set the min lap at 24 seconds

Anyone racing Bayswater on the 19th? (10.30 racing start, gates open 9am as Kai is running it while Alfred is away) Would like to see more than 4/5 VTA's out there :)

I'll make a effort to be there.

[domekat]

I will be there too

[darren75]

Count me in I had fun on Sunday I drove just faster enough to
drive Miss Daisy but dont care had FUN !!!!!.:fonzie:

[ferett]

had a search thru the rules but cant see are you able to run an mazda rx3 body?there a 1970s built car and did race at bathurst.

[obzELiTe]

thats the direction i was heading as well.

the poor ole lc is terminal now and i didnt want to go american or ford.

[eichkay]

had a search thru the rules but cant see are you able to run an mazda rx3 body?there a 1970s built car and did race at bathurst.

Mini's also ran at bathurst, but they not exactly classed as a muscle car.. and the body's in this class are all 200mm wide to fit the big rear wheels under the guards.

[Stewbaru]

Eich,

were you going to do a 2011 dates poster (as per Post #1), or do we just head over to PRECC for the wednesday night fixtures?

[Stewbaru]

Anyone turning out for VTA at PRECC on Wednesday, keen for a run.....

[snow rider]

The 2011 Stanbridges Hobbies AARCMCC WA On-Road Electric State Titles are being held at West Coast Model Rally Club in Bayswater (Moojebing Rd) and are only 1 week away. This will be an exciting weekend of racing in the lead up to the Nationals. If you are unable to race, come down and check out the finals. They start at midday on sunday 27th March with presentations following straight after.

So get on down, check it out, ask as many questions as you like. And we hope to see you racing on the track soon.

[DinPerth]

I am currently gathering info and weighing up my options for an onroad class, I am curious to know if the rules in the first post are still current for this class?

Does anyone locally supply bodies and wheels for this class?

And is this class running at WC on Sunday?

Cheers

Duncan

[eichkay]

I am currently gathering info and weighing up my options for an onroad class, I am curious to know if the rules in the first post are still current for this class?

Does anyone locally supply bodies and wheels for this class?

And is this class running at WC on Sunday?

Cheers

Duncan

Yes the rules are the same, but a lap time fastest lap of 24sec has been implemented and the 6.0 is null and void to some extent.

Stanbridges carries the Hpi bodies and wheels for the class just ask Luke or James if your unsure.

[DinPerth]

Sweet so I already have the motor ESC and servo, and currently looking at a TC3 which I guess would be alright to start with. Just need to pop to Stany's for body and wheels.

Cheers

[nexxus]

I got a spare set of new in pack wheels and tyres I could do a tad cheaper than Stannys mate.

[BIG PETE]

perth rc has bodies and tyres as well guys

[DinPerth]

Now that there is the 24sec a lap rule for this class, does that mean that you can use any speedy you like?

So for instance if I had a Tekin RS, Could I use that?

Cheers

[obzELiTe]

yes.

[nexxus]

Yep don't matter what esc, gearing etc you use, heck you could run a 5.5T on full boost but if you run under 24 seconds a lap, it won't count :)

[DinPerth]

So I am just left with one question a New or Used Xray T3? :D

[nexxus]

dont need a fancy chassis, Lee dominates in a $200 hobao, my VTA car only owes me $80 and thats rtr (bar radio).

[DinPerth]

Yeah I know that but was thinking if I get a T3 I can use it for Touring Stock later on.

[nexxus]

VTA Mk 2, figured I better get a pic up before it gets torn to shreds. Only owes me $80-$90 now so no biggy (budget basher!) Might have to get some wheel spacers for the back tho!

[domekat]

With a resurgence of interest in VTA at Bayswater I was wondering if anyone would be interested in running VTA at PRECC on Tuesday nights

Currently there is 3 or 4 that have said they would be keen to have a go


Let us know if you are keen

[Loz11]

VTA drivers are most welcomed here at PRECC

we have a test and tune and Pancar series this Saturday
Time: 3pm-10pm
Cost: $15.00

Bring the VTA down or any other onroad car you have and have a go!!!!!

Check the website out for location and other info
www.precc.org.au


Plenty of meal options around and HOT tea and coffee for sale
Pit tables and chairs are available with power to charge the batterys

See ya there!!!

Lorraine
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