2011 WA AARCMCC state titles

[z00m]

Are we still having a state titles?

[DinPerth]

Well not according to the AARCMCC website calendar (there are only 2 events listed between now and next year)

I also notice on there website that if you go to the EP Off road section all you get is a couple of pictures of Off road cars yet if you go to the IC Off Road section you have lots of relevant information with links to the rules and everything you need to know about that type of racing.

Is AARCMCC not that interested in Electric??

[z00m]

If you go to the downloads section, there is a link to the rules doco.

http://www.aarcmcc.org/docs/AARCMCC%20EP%20OFR%20Rules%2020110116.pdf

I posted on the original thread about the control tyres needing to be announced 3 months out from an event but that thread was deleted, so I'm guessing there was somone whinging.

No matter what way you look at it, you can't get away from the rules (even by deleting threads). Either that or this won't be a sanctioned event, which sounds likely as AARCMCC doesn't have it listed on the website.

[DinPerth]

Oh Yeah I have managed to find the rules what types of motors, speed controllers and batteries you can use but just find it strange that the IC sections has loads of recent, relevant info and the EP section is blank

[DinPerth]

I did email them about this a couple of months back but no changes to the web site yet and not even a reply to my email

[golumn]

Guys, entry form and nominated tyres sent in 4 weeks ago, countless emails to aarcmcc have not been returned. As soon as I know ill let everyone know. Tyres have been ordered and supply is garanteed.

All entries to be posted out to the address on the entry form or e-mail to pgsracing@westnet.com.au

[z00m]

Guys, entry form and nominated tyres sent in 4 weeks ago, countless emails to aarcmcc have not been returned. As soon as I know ill let everyone know. Tyres have been ordered and supply is garanteed.

So which tyre is it that is deemed to be available 6 months before?

9.6.1 The type of tyres and combinations are decided by the AARCMCC electric Executive together with the race organiser (from race organiser recommendations). The race organiser will forward the recommendations to the AARCMCC Electric Section four (4) months before the event. The final decision will be made Three (3) months before the event, between the AARCMCC Electric Executive and the race organizer.

9.6.2 The selected controlled tyre for all classes must continue to be commercially available in all Australian states for six (6) months prior to the event and up until the commencement of the event.

[Cody102]

is this for ep or nitro ?? Im confused

[DinPerth]

EP

[golumn]

ill know more when the guys at aarmcc get back to me michael

[obzELiTe]

I posted on the original thread about the control tyres needing to be announced 3 months out from an event but that thread was deleted

my fault. Attempted to merge some posts to clean thread and things went wrong. Unfortunately vbulletin is not that forgiving to stupidity.

[Bozzspeed]

It funny how peoples point of view changes depending on what side of the fence they are sitting on.


Stop delete threads, I was getting all rev up on the tire choice thing debate. Lets see if the Bunbury committee will be a transparent as Keri was with the National tire decision. It was ok at the end, just not the best.

[Bozzspeed]

Guys, entry form and nominated tyres sent in 4 weeks ago, countless emails to aarcmcc have not been returned. As soon as I know ill let everyone know. Tyres have been ordered and supply is garanteed.

and what will happen if the nominated tire is knocked backed by AARCMCC? And if you are that sure, why cant you tell us what it is? :D

[obzELiTe]

I did email them about this a couple of months back but no changes to the web site yet and not even a reply to my email


AARCMCC website and calendar is a bit of a joke, i dont know if WA is even on the radar as far as they are concerned.

[z00m]

There's more than one way to contact AARCMCC (they even have a thread on RC Tech), and would have responded in a timely fashion if they got the message. Have they even contacted Keri to try and get some help getting through to AARCMCC?

If the rumours of AKA Re-Bar tyres being the control tyre are true, then there needs to be a good reason explained as to why the bunbury committee is happy to break the rules they vehemently supported during the nationals selection process.

The tyres haven't been available in all Australian states for the last 6 months.

[Bozzspeed]

Re-Bar:confused:

Isn't that were you go before Re-Hab?

[Bozzspeed]

Oh Yeah I have managed to find the rules what types of motors, speed controllers and batteries you can use but just find it strange that the IC sections has loads of recent, relevant info and the EP section is blank

The IC section is looked after by the IC guys. and they basically have only two classes buggy an truggy. It is a lot easier section to look after. At time the electric people have a lot to manage. It should be split into electric on road and off road sections. therefore Gav should receive a response on his email from AARCMCC.

Do worry the IC section is slow too. I still haven't had a reply back from an email sent 2 months ago and one of the recipience was Lord Painy.

[associatedracer1]

Mike should be running clubs with his knowledge experience and expertise

[associatedracer1]

All clubs are run by volunteers who have full time jobs aswell

[Bozzspeed]

Here is an old post I found. Interesting to say the least.

http://www.teamadrenaline.net/forums/showpost.php?p=80277&postcount=2

[z00m]

It's sad that the only communication we get from the state body is jibberish.

I would have thought the state body, as it was deemed to have such massive importance a few months ago, would have been writing to the masses to inform us that for *insert reason here*, we would like to see a tyre, not yet available in this country, being the control tyre for state titles in a couple of months.

If you don't run Bar Codes/Suburbs/BK Bars on the Bunbury track, the Re-bar's are going to be pretty useless. I could imagine the fuss if west coast was trying on such a manoeuvre :rolleyes:

[BIG PETE]

Mike should be running clubs with his knowledge experience and expertise



:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

[associatedracer1]

Mike as was the case with last years nats and states waorma arent involved. If binbury want assistance they can ask waorma but they havent as yet so orwsume by gavs post they have things inder control. You never ask questions or whinge face to gace mike akways behind the keyboard where u get ur opinion out firsy and everyone take that as fact.

[BigTod]

Mike as was the case with last years nats and states waorma arent involved. If binbury want assistance they can ask waorma but they havent as yet so orwsume by gavs post they have things inder control. You never ask questions or whinge face to gace mike akways behind the keyboard where u get ur opinion out firsy and everyone take that as fact.

that doesn't make any sense.. are you on the piss???

[KingBob]

that doesn't make any sense.. are you on the piss???

What Tod said. I'm still baffled what "orwsume" is/was meant to be.

[obzELiTe]

Assume. I speak drunk

[eichkay]

There's more than one way to contact AARCMCC (they even have a thread on RC Tech), and would have responded in a timely fashion if they got the message. Have they even contacted Keri to try and get some help getting through to AARCMCC?

If the rumours of AKA Re-Bar tyres being the control tyre are true, then there needs to be a good reason explained as to why the bunbury committee is happy to break the rules they vehemently supported during the nationals selection process.

The tyres haven't been available in all Australian states for the last 6 months.

I know Gavin of EP Off Road AARCMCC was off on holiday somewhere recently I sent him a few emails over a few weeks awhile back and he's only just got back to me two weeks ago..

Gavin and the Bunbury guys have dealt with AARCMCC in the past many times over, I think they know what they are doing, WCMRC is always happy to help out when the States comes around when and where needed.

The tire rules are always controversy, Thing is very few hobby shops even carry tires and everyone buys what they want to run from the states anyways, local stock is normally that last minute oh no i've run out of tires deal.. Two years back X2000's were chosen for bunno WA States, Id never seen them in any hobby shops locally period for a year prior to the event, thus most of us had never run them funny enough.

AKA might be put forward but its AARCMCC thats got to give the OK, then the arguing can start, no point bringing up what if's ... I'm sure the Tapper Pins and X2000's will the 2nd choice and ultimately that's what AARCMCC would go with I believe.

[associatedracer1]

Sorru guys im actually typing this on my phone as at presebt im packing rc stuff for vic titles and my house is packed up as I move to kal on my return. You guys must have plenty of spare time on ur hands.

[Bozzspeed]

Hold down F & 7 on your keypad for spell checker on your mobile. :fonzie:

[z00m]

Mike as was the case with last years nats and states waorma arent involved. If binbury want assistance they can ask waorma but they havent as yet so orwsume by gavs post they have things inder control. You never ask questions or whinge face to gace mike akways behind the keyboard where u get ur opinion out firsy and everyone take that as fact.

that doesn't make any sense.. are you on the piss???

I think the gist of it is that I'm a keyboard warrior and Robert is a legend :rolleyes:

Anyone that knows me, knows I give my opinion freely, either in person, on the phone or indeed on the forums.

While I couldn't care less what the tyre is for the states (it will be the same for everyone after all), I just wanted to remind those with short memories what happened prior to the nationals. I would have thought those same people would be up in arms about the lack of information as well - oh hang on, they're the ones involved with the host club!!

I still think the host club should come forward with the recommended tyre as we are inside the 3 months to the event. You can always put 'subject to change'. If it is AKA (and I've had 3 people tell me it is), then you need to explain why you are breaking the rules as well.

[Bozzspeed]

So what you’re saying Keri is that it’s ok to deviate from the AARCMCC rules a little?


Yes, the rumors have started about the tires, but then why can’t Gav just clarify the tire issue by telling us what 3 tires Burbury but forward to AARCMCC. It’s a simple and straight forward question.


If Re-Bar has been selected as one of the three, then it should be removed and another tire added, as it doesn’t comply with the AARCMCC rules. AKA Rebar has not been available commercially for the 6 months period prior to the state title (about 23rd April). Amain’s website has the tire down as only being added on 24th June. It is as simple as that.



Gav, can you please clarify or elaborate on your post (#6) in regards to quote “Tyres have been ordered and supply is guaranteed”?

[eichkay]

So what you’re saying Keri is that it’s ok to deviate from the AARCMCC rules a little?


Seems that way, Its happened in the past many times over not just in WA and or Off Road for that matter. It seems to be a providing they are a stocked/imported item over east its all good.. But you should be directing these questions to AARCMCC and the Host Club as I and everyone else can just purely speculate at this point in time.

[Painy]

i have no reason to think rebar to wont work on the track..

have you tested bk bar on that facility.. i have.. worked as well as a x-2000

last time i checked if AARCMCC want to do something then they can.

PS: what a bunch of bitching.

[KingBob]

Sorru guys im actually typing this on my phone as at presebt...

I'm typing this on my phone too. I can still see what i'm typing and spell correctly!

[z00m]

i have no reason to think rebar to wont work on the track..

have you tested bk bar on that facility.. i have.. worked as well as a x-2000

last time i checked if AARCMCC want to do something then they can.

PS: what a bunch of bitching.

And you wouldn't have any reason to support the Re-Bar? :p

[fatbear]

I haven't raced at Bunbury yet so I am just asking.
Does the track have as much grip as WC? Does it groove up?
Do any of the locals run that tire or similar in another brand as their first choice tire.?
If no to these questions would the Re-Bar really be the best choice?
If it does have a lot of grip then it sounds like a good choice.

[obzELiTe]

i've only been a few times, but it seems to be pretty consistent, not as slippy as westcoasts regular surface, but not as good as westcoast prior to nationals.

[Painy]

And you wouldn't have any reason to support the Re-Bar? :p

no reason.. just thought it would be good for racers to be able to use this tire.. as we all know how much it revolutionised the nitro scene..

cant hurt to let the racers use them in 10th in this event... we love good quality tires. and we all know how well this tire works at Bayswater... so plent of tires left over for the season after the states.

[z00m]

no reason.. just thought it would be good for racers to be able to use this tire.. as we all know how much it revolutionised the nitro scene..

cant hurt to let the racers use them in 10th in this event... we love good quality tires. and we all know how well this tire works at Bayswater... so plent of tires left over for the season after the states.

Rebar works at West Coast? When did you run them? When I emailed a few weeks ago, they weren't even released yet according to the reply. If you've already run them then doesn't that give you an advantage over everyone else? It's not like you need any extra help!! :D

Anyhow, I'm all for good tyres too, but I'm not really for spending time and money to travel to Bunbury for a few days to run a tyre that has never been tested on the surface, and could be a disaster or could be good. If it is a disaster, it would be a disaster for everyone; but that isn't what the rules are designed to achieve.

The people that normally run in Bunbury don't normally run the Bar Code/BK Bar type tread patterns when tyre choice is free. There has to be a reason for that.

[BigTod]

Bring back the days where you can run whatever you want to!!!!! 8082m2 at Bunbury were awesome.....:rolleyes:

[Bozzspeed]

no reason.. just thought it would be good for racers to be able to use this tire.. as we all know how much it revolutionised the nitro scene..

cant hurt to let the racers use them in 10th in this event... we love good quality tires. and we all know how well this tire works at Bayswater... so plent of tires left over for the season after the states.

Sorry Painy, but the is an electric state title, not nitro.

It only hurts if good quality tires, aren't good performing tires for this event.

Since you have tested the BK Bar we may have to use that as the 3rd nominated tires. :D

[Painy]

Sorry Painy, but the is an electric state title, not nitro.

:D

you dont say.

[Bozzspeed]

you dont say.

No, I typed it...then why mention it?

[Painy]

No, I typed it...then why mention it?

did you not understand what i said.. it revolutionised IC.. it will be a premier brand in EP also...

[Bozzspeed]

And which part don’t you understand! This is an ELECTRIC thread, do you think we care about how your tires has revolutionize the IC class? They are round and black, I wouldn’t quiet call that revolutionizing. The question is, have they revolutionized the Electric division?


And I think the other thing drivers need to know is that they will have to buy tires inserts separate, as Rebar don’t come with inserts. Trucks do, buggies don’t.

[z00m]

I'm still struggling to see the 'Blue Groove':

http://www.teamadrenaline.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=5809&d=1306664776
http://www.teamadrenaline.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=5825&d=1306665145

[Cody102]

why dont we stop arguing about the tyres.......... and just choose some???:fonzie::fonzie:

i know it dosent sound so simple as "Just choose some" but u got around 2 mth\then from what i can tell there still isnt even an entry form. also i cant find any AKA Re-Bars for Truck (only can find 2wd & 4wd buggy and SC Truck) theres an issue ::confused::confused::confused::confused:

sounds like theres still heaps to organize too me.

Can anyone get hold of AARCMCC????

[ScottyP]

Considering coming over for this race, however this thread is not exactly 'selling' me!

Is Rebar confirmed or not? And what's the story with inserts?

I sincerely hope the surface is VASTLY different to the pics posted by Zoom. That ain't no BK-Bar / Rebar track.

Cheers,
Scotty P.

[KingBob]

did you not understand what i said.. it revolutionised IC.. it will be a premier brand in EP also...

IC has been revolutionised? wow, awesome... how?

[golumn]

Guys,

Entry form attached.

Tyres for the event are:

2wd, Rear - AKA Re-Bar Super Soft with Red Closed Cell Insert, Open front tyre.
4wd, Front and Rear - AKA Re-Bar Super Soft with Red Closed Cell Insert.
Truck - JConcepts Double D - Green Compound with Standard Insert.

Track re-build will be taking place in the next few weeks.

Gav.

[DrM]

Hi all

Just catching up with all of what has and hasn’t been going on in RC in the West in the last couple of months – haven’t seen much of what is going on whilst I’ve had my head down and bum up at work.

Seems some things never change – people still whinge, rumours still float, tyres are still round and black, and zOOm is still The “Keyes” Driver of the Year.

I’ve been thinking about how these threads could be made better, and I think it’s about time we took a bit more of a common sense approach. Firstly, if you (and “you” know who “you” is) are going to criticise, please make it constructive criticism – ie criticism or advice that is useful and intended to help or improve something, with an offer of possible solutions.

Secondly, don’t even offer constructive criticism until you have all the facts (as opposed to “rumours”). I’m pretty sure organising a state or national title is stressful enough without having keyboard warriors slinging mud over rumours. I’m sure eichkay copped plenty of that leading up to Easter and now it appears Golumn is copping it (public apology to eichkay, and more broadly to the West Coast committee, for my nuclear moment at West Coast one Friday night leading up to the Nationals).

Last – before you post, take the time to think of how your post may be interpreted – think “if I actually said this aloud whilst standing in the middle of a drivers meeting, would I come off sounding like a knob?”. This might stop a fair few unnecessary posts.

Having taken all of the above into consideration, I will say that it appears the control tyre rules, as they stand for EP off road, are not well adapted, not well written, not well understood and probably (therefore) not well executed (criticism). I think that clubs should band together and put a joint proposal to AARCMCC on how to improve the rules rather than just complain about the lack of transparency behind a process (suggestion to make criticism constructive). I am happy to lead a WA based submission if others wish to take the time to sit with me, read the rules and come up with better ideas.

In the meantime, we have a state title pending and it will be run on control tyres – ie the same tyres for everyone.

Scotty P – yes – Bunbury has in the past “grooved up” over the course of a large meet. There is some sandy dust over the track at the start of a day, but a racing line soon appears and provided the rain stays away, the track gets down to a hard packed, semi abrasive surface. Pity we can’t run Holeshots at the start of the day and then switch to a more suitable tyre half way through qualifying. Having said that, I know the Bunbury guys will put in the hours to turn out a great track that will be consistent across the weekend. It is not “river dredged clay” like we had in Mildura – more like loamy, gravelly clay that our South West is renowned for. If it helps, Peter Suckling is the President of the host club and Peter has extensive knowledge on clay substrates – his engineering business largely revolves around understanding how clay surfaces react under compression etc.

By the way – for those that missed the Victorian State Titles – you missed some of the best racing you could hope for. It was an outlier result if someone was lapped in any of the mod finals, meaning that the front runners had no traffic and it came down to pure racing amongst individuals to decide titles. Heartfelt commiseration to Ray Munday who managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in three separate classes, having TQ’d two of them. Pity it appears Ray can’t make it over for our States….

[Cody102]

1. do we need to order tyres through the club or do we just buy them from a hobbie like we normally would???

and i had another one but i cant remember... lol

[eichkay]

1. do we need to order tyres through the club or do we just buy them from a hobbie like we normally would???

and i had another one but i cant remember... lol

State titles, you buy them yourself from local shop(s) or online

[golumn]

yes, you can buy them from ryper hobbies, i believe the first shipment is due at the end of the month, start of next month. Tell dave that they are for the 2011 state titles.

[z00m]

None of that blab tells us why the rules are being ignored.
It also doesn't tell us the commercial decisions behind why this control tyre that has been selected.
It also doesn't tell us why this time the control tyres will be much more expensive than any other year (as you have to buy their molded inserts).
It also doesn't tell us how we can expect a green track, with a small field, will have the type of groove the rebar is suited to.


And yes, these are all questions I would ask in a drivers meeting. 'Trust me' doesn't make me want to rush out and book accomodation and order a pile of tyres from Amain.

You can hate me as much as you like, but these are questions that should be asked - no matter how unpleasant they might be.

Yours sincerely,

Former Keysey Driver of the Year.

[associatedracer1]

Why do the club have to answer all those questions?

[associatedracer1]

And mike reading ur rubbish on here makes me not wanna race, wonder how many else you have that effect on? Your already turning the easteners off that we tryed to sell the event too.

[z00m]

Yeah, best we tell them it grooves up like nothing else and try and hide all the picture of the actual surface. Better they come over on a lie than make an informed decision.

It goes to show, best to shoot the messenger rather than deal with the messages. I guess your reign at the top of the state body will be best remembered for that. Enjoy Kal, you'll fit right in.

[associatedracer1]

Mike how many times have you run at bunbury? Its groved up better than any other track in wa bar the last race there which was due to mass rain and pete and gav not having time beforehand for track prep. So my opinion is more informed than yours. Please ellaborate on your comments bout my move to kal? And you continue to rubbish waorma when it has had a productive year with well supported events.

[z00m]

So you should be able to tell us how often you've run bar type tread patterns at Bunbury as your tyre of preference.

[associatedracer1]

Never have, had never run dd's at bayswater till it was picked for nats and that worked out fine. How bout u hold ur opinion till after the event. Im still waiting for u to explain your comments on my move to kal

[z00m]

It's self explanatory. And a good way to keep the conversation off the real topics :rolleyes:

[golumn]

All of what rob has said is correct mike. Thanks for posting pictures of a non prepped track. The rules regarding the tires were waived by AARCMCC due to availability. We couldn't get the other tires because we couldn't garantee supply. So that's the commercial decision you were talking about, and not my friendship with Dave and Josh???

To all that have been to bunbury before, you know what you are in for.

Mike, I have run bald losi sprints, Losi BK`s and slicks at bunbury before, on a prepped track and managed to set some of my fastest times.

[KingBob]

What ever happened to good old fashioned holeshots and bowties?

[BIG PETE]

what happened to enjoying the hobby and not carying like a bunch of bloody idiots
zoom you cary on like there is millions of dollars up for grabs
my daughter has been reading this thread and asked me who this zoom fella is and said if he is racing she wont be
thats great coming from a 13 year old who loves her RC racing your doing a great job turning people away with all your political bull shit
every event posted on this forum you find some thing to cry about and go on and on about it
we are playing with toy cars for **** sake

[fatbear]

Big Pete,
agree with the sentiments of your post but don't agree with the toy cars comment.
They are most definitely not toy cars.

[BIG PETE]

sorry expencive toy cars

[z00m]

Thanks for posting pictures of a non prepped track.
They were pictures from the previous interclub

The rules regarding the tires were waived by AARCMCC due to availability. We couldn't get the other tires because we couldn't garantee supply.

Thankyou finally for some sort of explanation/reply. This was what I was looking for in the first place.


Mike, I have run bald losi sprints, Losi BK`s and slicks at bunbury before, on a prepped track and managed to set some of my fastest times.

Thanks for this info as well. Again, the sort of reply I was looking for.

You'd be surprised at the number of PM's I have gotten on this subject, and none of them said I should not ask the questions. So as usual, I'm on the bad list for asking the questions, but at least the many people who had the same questions now have answers.

[ScottyP]

Good to have clarity on the tyre situation. Anyone know if Ryper are doing a special price for the States?

Cheers,
Scott

[golumn]

Scott, yes i believe something will be worked out in regards to tyres. I Believe the tyres will come with inserts from the australian distributor, Rypers.

[BigTod]

heya Scotty, hope to catch you with you again, I am trying to talk cheeseman into coming over as well

[Cody102]

ok i remembered my other question:

if we have a spare car, do we have to get that scrutineered when we need it, or do we have to get it scrutineered when we get our actual race car scrutineered??? thanks.

[DrM]

I have further reviewed this thread and realised it is possible that we are not meeting zOOm’s needs. He has, to be fair, asked 6 questions over 5 posts throughout the course of this thread. I have revised the thread, summarised the questions and provided answers (or referred to others answers) below. It should be noted that these are the only questions (per se) that zOOm has asked – the rest of his posts contained inflammatory statements rather than questions.

Are we still having a state titles? 2nd August 2011 (post #1)

Answer – yes. At no time (so far as I am aware) was there any discussion of not holding the state titles.


So which tyre is it that is deemed to be available 6 months before? 2nd August 2011 (post #7)

Answer – I don’t really understand this question, even with the context in the original post. If zOOm meant “So which tyre is it? Has it been available for 6 months before the event?”, then the answer (at the time) would have been that the tyre will be announced as soon as it is confirmed with AARCMCC. This is similar to the process that West Coast went through for announcing the Nationals tyre. And now that the tyre has been announced, I think Golumn addressed the “6 month issue” in his post on 15th August 2011 (post #63) – ie immediately after the tyre was announced.


There's more than one way to contact AARCMCC (they even have a thread on RC Tech), and would have responded in a timely fashion if they got the message. Have they even contacted Keri to try and get some help getting through to AARCMCC? 3rd August 2011 (post #15)

Answer – I think Keri answered this when he posted on 4th August 2011 (post #27): I know Gavin of EP Off Road AARCMCC was off on holiday somewhere recently I sent him a few emails over a few weeks awhile back and he's only just got back to me two weeks ago.

Gavin and the Bunbury guys have dealt with AARCMCC in the past many times over, I think they know what they are doing, WCMRC is always happy to help out when the States comes around when and where needed.


And you wouldn't have any reason to support the Re-Bar? 5th August 2011 (post #35)

Answer – Painy provided a succinct answer on 5th August 2011 (post #38). I think that zOOm was intimating that Painy has a vested interest in promoting the AKA Rebar as he is part owner of a business that is the current Australian distributor of AKA tyres – Ryper Hobbies. And if this is the correct interpretation of the vague question, then I agree – Painy does have a vested interest in the tyres chosen. However, I believe that Painy has enough experience to choose a tyre that will suit the track. To question his experience is folly. Notwithstanding, I think that the AARCMCC rules should be more prescriptive on how the tyre selection should take place - in line with my earlier post.


Rebar works at West Coast? When did you run them? 5th August 2011 (post #39)

Answer – I think these are the only outstanding questions, and is one only Painy can answer.

[DrM]

Cody 102

Spare cars as such are not permitted. The scrutineering process is such that your chassis is marked for the event. If you break anything on the car, you are permitted to replace that item. If you break the chassis, you are required to approach scrutineering and request that you change chassis due to the break. In my experience, where such a break occurs, scrutineering have not denied a chassis change request, although they will mark and scrutineer the newly built vehicle.

Hope this helps

Cheers
Dan

[KingBob]

Basically instead of taking the car pre-assembled. Strip it down completely, and take it in parts form.

[rfx]

Tyres for the event are:

2wd, Rear - AKA Re-Bar Super Soft with Red Closed Cell Insert, Open front tyre.
4wd, Front and Rear - AKA Re-Bar Super Soft with Red Closed Cell Insert.
Truck - JConcepts Double D - Green Compound with Standard Insert.

Track re-build will be taking place in the next few weeks.

Gav.
Hi, Question - what tyres are for Short Course Truck?

Thanks!

[golumn]

Short Course Trucks are open tyre, so what ever you want.

[KingBob]

Since Short Course is a WAORMA class not AARCMCC, can you post the relevant rules doco please?

[eichkay]

Scott, yes i believe something will be worked out in regards to tyres. I Believe the tyres will come with inserts from the australian distributor, Rypers.

Any clue on cost as Amain does not have stock and the prices listed when compared to other tires used in the past 3 events is about $7-$8 more due to inserts required separately

[DrM]

Eichkay...

I have contacted Ryper but unfortunately David is in Queensland at present competing in a FEMCA event. He is expected back in about a weeks time so hopefully we can get some further info at that time.

Cheers
Dan

[keyesgood]

nice tire choice,


and we can use all our left overs from the nats at the ,states warm up,


keep up the good, work,



m,k

[Bozzspeed]

Are you being sarcastic Mike?





:grouphug:
"A person who aims at nothing is sure to hit it"

[BigTod]

who knows with Keyesy ....:rolleyes:

[keyesgood]

truck tires ,

mate

got loads left, semi used ,

[Bozzspeed]

Oh, truck tires..


Nice tires choice,

I was hoping to use up all my tires from the National.


Now is that sarcasm!



:grouphug:
Experience is a wonderful thing. It enables you to recognize a mistake when you make it again.

[ScottyP]

Awfully quiet here considering the States are now < 2 months away.

Any word on these elusive Rebars?

Word is Amain had 2 pairs of rears in stock the other day. Anyone wanna share?

Seriously guys, if you're not going to provide tyres as part of the entry mechanism, then they have to be readily available in the lead up! I already know some interstaters who've elected not to come on the basis of the tyre choice and now I'm having second thoughts too. The 1/8th E nats in Vic are looking good instead.

Cheers,
Scotty P.

[golumn]

O.K. Just got off the phone from Ryper Hobbies.

Tyres WILL be sent out on Tuesday from America, E.T.A. next Friday or Monday

Pricing as follows (could be cheaper, customs):

Rear Re-Bar with insert $15.50

4wd Front Re-Bar with insert $14.70

2wd Front Re-Bar without insert $ 9.00. this is not a controlled tyre.

Tyres will come unpackaged from AKA Tyres especially for this event.

Jared Tebo will not be at this event...

[DinPerth]

This question is just out of curiosity and I do not want to start another ranting debate...

But if the tires will be available to purchase from around the 5/9/11 plus add a week for people purchasing and and gluing which takes us to the 12/9/11 that only leaves 5 weeks before the actual event, other than the couple of warm up days (if we are having them) will there be any lead up races?? to test out the new tires on the new track??

Cheers

[KingBob]

O.K. Just got off the phone from Ryper Hobbies.

Tyres WILL be sent out on Tuesday from America, E.T.A. next Friday or Monday

Pricing as follows (could be cheaper, customs):

Rear Re-Bar with insert $14.50

4wd Front Re-Bar with insert $13.90

2wd Front Re-Bar without insert $ 9.00. this is not a controlled tyre.

Tyres will come unpackaged from AKA Tyres especially for this event.

Jared Tebo will not be at this event...

Whilst I know the Short Course class is open tire, are there any options for buying suitable tires for the event? On the weekend Rypers only had 2 pair of SC tires in store at $36/pair.

[DinPerth]

After sifting through all the pages on this thread to find the entry form (currently page 4), I have now read the entry form and it has some information about lead up races but no dates, If the races are every other Sunday, what is the date of the first Sunday? so we know which Sundays it will fall on and plan accordingly.

Also I notice for Short Course that this is a WAORMA Class only, if the club I belong to is not a member of WAORMA does that mean I can not run in that class?

Also has anyone posted the WAORMA Short Course Rules yet? are they different to the West Coast rules? or are we just using the West Coast Rules??

I am interested in running in this event but I am finding it a struggle to find all the information relevant to this event.

[obzELiTe]

he did a special for the nationals on sc tires, i'm sure with some kind words he would do the same again :)

[DinPerth]

So does everyone have to go and plead their case for SC tires individually or is someone going to discuss it with them on behalf of the event and publish the information?

[golumn]

Duncan and Rob,

The short course rules will be as per the W/C rules that they submitted to WAORMA. So the same as the nationals.

If you are a member of an AARCMCC club, you will be able to race.

As for tyres, these are OPEN, and you can race whatever is allowed in the rules.

We are currently undergoing a re-build for the track, so ill have more info once this is done for any practice meets.

Gav.

[DinPerth]

Thanks

[golumn]

Rob,

I dont know what planet you were on when you went into rypers as they have over 3 boxes of CORR Truck tyres and they arent even the price you have listed. Dave would be happy to speak to you directly.

http://www.ryperhobbies.com.au/

Are you sure you werent quoted for 1/8th pre glued tyres???

Gav

[Painy]

Whilst I know the Short Course class is open tire, are there any options for buying suitable tires for the event? On the weekend Rypers only had 2 pair of SC tires in store at $36/pair.

did you ask for a racer price... as we do a significant discount for any racers from any club.

there are some proline SC tires on the shelf for a retail of 36 but we sell them to any racer for 25.

AKA SC tires..( not sure if you noticed the 70 box's of tires out the back) sell for 15 a pair for soft and 16 per pair for Super soft , enduro, gridiorn or city bloc..

always best to ask the people behind the counter if you need help.

[Painy]

For people who dont know... we always give a discount on anything in the shop if your a racer.

most stores these days always give a discount if you ask.

[ScottyP]

O.K. Just got off the phone from Ryper Hobbies.

Tyres WILL be sent out on Tuesday from America, E.T.A. next Friday or Monday

Pricing as follows (could be cheaper, customs):

Rear Re-Bar with insert $14.50

4wd Front Re-Bar with insert $13.90

2wd Front Re-Bar without insert $ 9.00. this is not a controlled tyre.

Tyres will come unpackaged from AKA Tyres especially for this event.

Jared Tebo will not be at this event...


Thx for the swift reply. Sharp pricing too. Makes justifying the travel easier.

Cheers,
Scotty P.

[Painy]

Thx for the swift reply. Sharp pricing too. Makes justifying the travel easier.

Cheers,
Scotty P.

also scotty, i know the track well... and the tires will be fine at bunbury.

the guys who are criticising the tire choice, have never even been to the track.

[Painy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAnrXKjXZYs

someone tell me there is no grip there. lol

[keyesgood]

i think he did , {tebo}

the fastest ever lap recorded , 17.457 at buno track,


gavs done a 18.6 ,


now thats flying,


just love buno, track,


mk,

[BigTod]

Whilst I know the Short Course class is open tire, are there any options for buying suitable tires for the event? On the weekend Rypers only had 2 pair of SC tires in store at $36/pair.

Does this Kat even race????

[BigTod]

For people who dont know... we always give a discount on anything in the shop if your a racer.

most stores these days always give a discount if you ask.

I don't..!!!!!!!

[KingBob]

AKA SC tires..( not sure if you noticed the 70 box's of tires out the back) sell for 15 a pair for soft and 16 per pair for Super soft , enduro, gridiorn or city bloc..


Ahh excellent.
I can honestly say i didnt notice any boxes out the back, what with out the back not being where customers go...

[KingBob]

Does this Kat even race????

Who's Kat?

[revsinc]

Who's Kat?

I know
but i cant post on here !!

Boom Boom !

[Painy]

Ahh excellent.
I can honestly say i didnt notice any boxes out the back, what with out the back not being where customers go...

you will notice next time..

a "Kat" is a person.

EG: " look at this cool Kat" (normally the phrase is used within the blues music scene.)

[Painy]

i think he did , {tebo}

the fastest ever lap recorded , 17.457 at buno track,


gavs done a 18.6 ,


now thats flying,


just love buno, track,


mk,

i think it was a 17.7. no australian has dropped into the 17's that i can remember.

[KingBob]

you will notice next time..

a "Kat" is a person.

EG: " look at this cool Kat" (normally the phrase is used within the blues music scene.)

Well, unless i walk out the back of the shop and start going through boxes i still probably wont see them :P


Ahh that kind of kat. I thought that was more of an english, punk, 60's kind of saying, ie: a hip kat, cool kat kind of thing. Bit before my time i'm afraid!

[golumn]

Tebo done 17.4, Painy done an unnofficial 17.7 in practice at the last state titles in 2009.
Aussies were: Pain at 18.0, Laughton at 18.1, Suckling 18.3, Simms 18.3
Im predicting that will all change at this states.

[ScottyP]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAnrXKjXZYs

someone tell me there is no grip there. lol

Interesting vid.

If I may, can I make a suggestion to those rebuilding the track for the States?

Whilst the circuit layout itself looks good, the jumps seem very randomly positioned and are not integrated into the circuit. They look like they're an after thought. For example, the jump at the start of the straight. What purpose does it serve and what value does it add to the layout?

I don't see a single jump that has a proper landing ramp. The car just slaps off each and every one. This really interrupts the flow of a circuit as the car's momentum is being restricted all the time.

The most fun tracks tend to be those where you can generate a rhythm or flow. It's impossible to do this when you're having to stop start all the time due to an unavoidable chassis slap.

[Painy]

Interesting vid.

If I may, can I make a suggestion to those rebuilding the track for the States?

Whilst the circuit layout itself looks good, the jumps seem very randomly positioned and are not integrated into the circuit. They look like they're an after thought. For example, the jump at the start of the straight. What purpose does it serve and what value does it add to the layout?

I don't see a single jump that has a proper landing ramp. The car just slaps off each and every one. This really interrupts the flow of a circuit as the car's momentum is being restricted all the time.

The most fun tracks tend to be those where you can generate a rhythm or flow. It's impossible to do this when you're having to stop start all the time due to an unavoidable chassis slap.

Trust me scotty, you dont have to tell me how a track is meant to be built :) .. been racing aorund the world for a while now.

the track has been this way for 15 years... no track is a fun as this one. even tebo aid it was awsome.

no point changing it. when it worls so well.

[Bozzspeed]

I'm with you ScottyP.

I've raced all around the world too. :)

The track does have its flaws, as you have pointed out. Yes its ok to race on, but I would not go as far as saying it is fun to race on.

Gee, we must of spoken to a different Jared Tebo that weekend? Cause he described it as driving on ice. (that was after his first drive on the track, it did get better during the day).

Tebo was that guy with the accent? Hang-on, it must of been Keyes I was talking too. :fonzie:

come on Painy... you were vocal enough about the West Coast's layout prior to the Nats and now you have no advice for the Bunbury committee. You must have at least one? We need you golden touch. :fonzie:

[ScottyP]

Trust me scotty, you dont have to tell me how a track is meant to be built :) .. been racing aorund the world for a while now.

the track has been this way for 15 years... no track is a fun as this one. even tebo aid it was awsome.

no point changing it. when it worls so well.


15 years old eh? That explains it. Track design has come a long way in 15 years my friend. Maybe you wanna check out the new layout at Maitland (remember them?) for the NSW titles. Now that looks like a fun track and not something I recall seeing back in 1996.

And as for Tebo, it's well known he's probably about the nicest guy on the pro circuit. He's not likely to travel all the way to WA to tell your track is shit is he?

[Painy]

15 years old eh? That explains it. Track design has come a long way in 15 years my friend. Maybe you wanna check out the new layout at Maitland (remember them?) for the NSW titles. Now that looks like a fun track and not something I recall seeing back in 1996.

And as for Tebo, it's well known he's probably about the nicest guy on the pro circuit. He's not likely to travel all the way to WA to tell your track is shit is he?

yeah i raced on it a couple of months back.. would have to say i would prefer to race on the 1998 layout if i was racing 10th scale.

track serves a purpose whether it be latest gen or old school.

[Painy]

I'm with you ScottyP.

I've raced all around the world too. :)

The track does have its flaws, as you have pointed out. Yes its ok to race on, but I would not go as far as saying it is fun to race on.

Gee, we must of spoken to a different Jared Tebo that weekend? Cause he described it as driving on ice. (that was after his first drive on the track, it did get better during the day).

Tebo was that guy with the accent? Hang-on, it must of been Keyes I was talking too. :fonzie:

come on Painy... you were vocal enough about the West Coast's layout prior to the Nats and now you have no advice for the Bunbury committee. You must have at least one? We need you golden touch. :fonzie:

i guess i wouldnt enjoy a track i didnt do well on either..

[golumn]

Boz, you have a lot to say dont you. Just remember, its not all about you....

Are you even considering racing the state titles???

I think those that will race the state titles will be pleasently supprised at how well the track does flow.

[associatedracer1]

Scott, Boz, Painy, Gav

You guys are all experienced races and have knowledge that should be drawn on my any clubs building tracks. Bunbury has always turned on a good track and event everytime I have been there. The track last time was a little dust but that has been explained. A few of the jumps are probably a bit "worn out" and do need a bit of work but with pete and gavs experience I am sure it will be all in order long before the states. It is a good fun fast flowing race track and is definately a 1/10 track. It would be great if you can make it over Scott as I have to beat "mater" and home turf may give me the edge.

[DrM]

Painy

Any update on the AKA shipment? ie has it arrived, is the pricing determined? I didn't get to yesterday's interclub so my focus is now Bunbury....

Cheers
Dan

[golumn]

Dan,

Word is that the tyres have arrived. A mixup at customs though sees that each pair of tyre will cost 50c more.

Gav.

[DrM]

Good work Gav!! Or rather good work Josh / Dave. Looks like a trip to Canning Vale is in order...

I wouldn't be too concerned about a $0.50 increase per pair of tyres - anyone that has "done the math" will work out Ryper are offering a very very good price on these boots... (no - I am not sponsored or affiliated in anyway with Ryper before some tard flies off the rails...).

[BigTod]

Good work Gav!! Or rather good work Josh / Dave. Looks like a trip to Canning Vale is in order...

I wouldn't be too concerned about a $0.50 increase per pair of tyres - anyone that has "done the math" will work out Ryper are offering a very very good price on these boots... (no - I am not sponsored or affiliated in anyway with Ryper before some tard flies off the rails...).

Hey who you calling a Tard.....;)

[DrM]

Hey Toddles...

"well if the boot fits...."

In your case, it'd have to be a ginormous boot!!!

I think we all know who I was referring to... ;)

[golumn]

Guys,

Please check my post on page 9, re: price of tyres.

Unfortunatly they have gone up, about a dollar a pair, due to customs.

Please quote the WA State Titles when purchasing the tyres from Rypers.

Gav.

[z00m]

Ok, lets get it over with.....

I ran Re-Bars last night in 1 round of 2wd mod at bayswater and my concerns about their capability turns out to be unfounded.

The track conditions were decent but I wouldn't rate them as 'grooved'. Track was hard packed and clean-ish on the line and the tyres worked ok. Certainly well enough to make for good racing. Off the line they were a bit average but that is to be expected from a bar pattern. Holeshots offered more consistent laptimes but there was no denying the pace of the Re-bar. My best lap of the night was on the re-bars - 4 tenths faster than any other lap I turned (although I haven't checked the result of the final).

So, get the flame throwers out, send along the I-told-you-so's, and lets get it over with.

[associatedracer1]

No flames mike, I think everyone had some sort of concerns large or small. Thats great they worked well should be a great state titles then.

[Alex]

yay! happy playgroup once again :D ! now lets roll on the STATES!

[Painy]

Ok, lets get it over with.....

I ran Re-Bars last night in 1 round of 2wd mod at bayswater and my concerns about their capability turns out to be unfounded.

The track conditions were decent but I wouldn't rate them as 'grooved'. Track was hard packed and clean-ish on the line and the tyres worked ok. Certainly well enough to make for good racing. Off the line they were a bit average but that is to be expected from a bar pattern. Holeshots offered more consistent laptimes but there was no denying the pace of the Re-bar. My best lap of the night was on the re-bars - 4 tenths faster than any other lap I turned (although I haven't checked the result of the final).

So, get the flame throwers out, send along the I-told-you-so's, and lets get it over with.

thats nice to hear that they worked ok. i am glad.

[golumn]

Entry form added to post #6 on front page.

[golumn]

Guys, Keep the entries coming in.

Had the warm up yesterday and can say that the tyres performed better than we expected.

[Matt]

Gav,

What other ways can we get an entry to you, rather than post?
Are you accepting email entries?

Matt.

[golumn]

Hey Matt, Missed you on the weekend...

Yes you may e-mail the entry form through to the e-mail address on post #6, page one. pgsracing@westnet.com.au

The reason behind the non editable pdf is so that you have to sign the form to confirm that you will be playing to the rules.

Cheers, Gav.

[obzELiTe]

you can digitally sign a pdf.

[golumn]

But we would prefer original signitures simon, cause then no-one can turn around and say i didnt sign it.

[KingBob]

Print, sign, scan, email?

[obzELiTe]

kinda sad if people are going to be dicks about racing rc cars.

you should just add a clause to the form, payment of entry fees will imply full acceptance of all rules.

its starting to become a common clause when ppl enter and pay via the net. you cant turn around and say well i didn't sign.

[golumn]

Thats the way we have always done it rob.

Simon you would be supprised about some people...

[KingBob]

Yup, its not exactly a difficult process. Guess I should actually do it!

[sleek]

Is it possible to pay by direct deposit as well ?

[BigTod]

Gav

email sent

[Alex]

WOAH! Welcome Back Ritchie! See you down at Bunno!

[golumn]

Guys,

If you could just email your intentions.

The entries forms and moneys can be sent or presented prior to the day.

We need to organise trophies and so far only have a couple of classes which would qualify.

Thanks,

[fatbear]

Gav, entry e-mailed to you.
Cheers
Darren

[golumn]

Guys,

Keep the entries coming.

I will post a list of drivers today.

We need to get numbers for ordering trophies.

Thanks.

[RkinRcer]

Who are the non running officials for this event that we should already know about as per aarcmcc rules. Just curious seeing as we are having an entry form discussion and after reading the rules zoom linked to, it said the officials should be listed on it.

[z00m]

The important lesson I have learned recently is not to get too hung up about the rules :D

Scrutineering will be on the honour system and penalties during the race should be self applied :p

[associatedracer1]

Rkin racer the host club could put any name down and you woildnt know as you dont race. Its a top effort shit stirring something you arent even involved in or attending

[DrM]

zOOm - glad you're seeing the world's glasses as half full now...

Rkin Rcer (or is it just Rkin as it appears you work when every club has a meeting?) - I think you will find the names are listed on the entry form. You just keep looking at the entry form, and we'll keep looking for you at the States....

:fonzie:

[z00m]

Yes :fonzie: And I hope to someday use the lack of rule enforcement to appeal against disqualification :D:D:p

[RkinRcer]

Not that I actually expected any different, but it's good to see the two top officials of the sports state body avoid the question and attack the person asking and basically lie. Your suggestion/sarcasm about the names being on the form is nothing more than that.

Keep up the good work, you two make a great team. I'll be spectating btw seeing as I'm in the area that weekend.

[BigTod]

RKINRACER,

hey champ it thats the case why don't you be a non running official....cheers for the nomination..:fonzie:

[associatedracer1]

Not that I actually expected any different, but it's good to see the two top officials of the sports state body avoid the question and attack the person asking and basically lie. Your suggestion/sarcasm about the names being on the form is nothing more than that.

Keep up the good work, you two make a great team. I'll be spectating btw seeing as I'm in the area that weekend.

Come over for a chat at the states, as you dont know daniel and I at all we can discuss how you plan to help at events next year. Ill even supply the beer

[Bozzspeed]

The club doesn’t have to disclose the names prior to the meet, but all driver should be aware of who they should see if something does arise. Good try Rkin. You’re still a little wet behind the ears. Like he is going to have a beer with you Ass1, he's still on formula.


I remember the comment said to me earlier “all your race history will be lost”.

Rules evolve for a reason due to past history and events, and to prevent the same mistakes from happening again. And as a driver, I like to know where I stand and what to expect.


Like the tries at the start. For me, it was not an attack on Ryper’s or the use of AKA tires (I would like to get that information correct first). It was that the process for selecting the control tire was not followed (once again). It was as simple as that. Yet no one is willing to take any responsibility on why it was put on the list. While Josh @ Rypers says he had no knowledge that the tires had to be commercially available 6 month prior to the event, then it has to go back to the person/club who submitted to AKA tire as one of 3 tires forward to AARCMCC.


It’s been done now. Happy Racing.

[obzELiTe]

this is why i don't run these events, its just doesn't sound like fun.

[RkinRcer]

RKINRACER,

hey champ it thats the case why don't you be a non running official....cheers for the nomination..:fonzie:

I fear my standards will be far to high for those concerned :D

[Bozzspeed]

Fair reply their Rkin.

[Bozzspeed]

this is why i don't run these events, its just doesn't sound like fun.

Do you believe if the rules were followed, half the stuff in the thread would not of been brought up.

[obzELiTe]

i think a degree of transparency would have avoided 90% of the shit.

Some people will always be trolls, thats life.

[golumn]

Simon, the events themselfs are fun, just the keyboard warriors in the lead up to the event takes the fun away...

[Alex]

I fear my standards will be far to high for those concerned :D

I fear, that your quote is a double edge sword.

If you are using sarcasm to poke fun of those who take racing seriously, then the sole purpose of your comment is only to invoke an emotional response from certain individuals here in the forum, which we have already seen.

If you are indeed true in your description of your standards, then I for one value your input and the more the reason for you to come down and grace us with your presence and experience in the matter of organising a race meet, let alone a state title.

After all, this sport is nothing without the people who participate and organise events, no matter how proficient, or dis-organised it may seem to passers by. The fact will always remain, at the end of the day someone's gotta do it.. most of the time it boils down to 1 or 2 people out of (insert number of RC enthusiasts who "race" on a weekly basis) that keep doing it for nothing except their dedication to the sport.

Those same people, like everyone else, have other commitments to juggle, people to please, work for a living, a relationship(s) to maintain and still find time to play with expensive model cars.... so occasionally may have a few things slip. Afterall, we are all human.. well, maybe for some out there... with questionable genes and DNA makeup...

Things are moving along for the upcoming WA state titles, and just because it's not posted on Team Adrenaline, it does not mean its not in action. There is another alternate reality outside of the computer screen after all :) And some of us even have real names and are not phased with our affiliations.

We have a very small community of RC enthusiasts in WA, even smaller when you separate those who participates for the pure pursuit of racing in the true essence of the word. That's why we go to a track (instead of the backyard) and enter competitions (instead of a hack with mates to see who can jump the highest)

so... while I cannot speak for how others respond to your comments and questions, I can say that it takes two to tango, and you have been very elusive with your leads, albeit in the safe confines of the computer screen.

You do have a way of making the "other" look bad, while never revealing your true identity. Without an identity, you may as well be transparent... which may explain some of the responses you have been receiving

To quote:

"how unusual, tons of knockers, knows it all's, gossipers and no actual doers. all funnily silent or mia during an gam."

[big tim]

well said:fonzie:

[z00m]

Simon, the events themselfs are fun, just the keyboard warriors in the lead up to the event takes the fun away...

I find it discouraging to say the least to hear that people are labelled keyboard warriors when asked why the rules aren't followed.

A simple and transparent answer to any/all of these questions would actually avoid the jibberish.

1. Question: Why don't the control tyres conform to the rules?
Answer: Because Josh wants to give the racers a good deal and promote a new tire so good for everyone.

2. Question: Who are the nominated officials for the state titles?
Answer: We are light on for numbers of volunteers. If anyone would ike to volunteer please let us know and we will provide lunch.

There are different ways of asking questions, the same as there are different ways of answering them.

If you're running a major event, that has rules attached, you have to be prepared to answer questions when they arise; no matter how unpleasant they might be.

[obzELiTe]

Simon, the events themselfs are fun, just the keyboard warriors in the lead up to the event takes the fun away...

probably being a bit harsh due to the negativity in this thread.

i enjoyed last year with tebo, and i enjoyed the last event as well even if the rain did ruin the track prep.

i dont run these events because i'm lazy and i cant be stuffed buying tires and prepping cars. i just roll up and see what i have in box ole crape

[Bozzspeed]

.... in box ole crape

you will find your reliable DEX410 Durango.


one more plug for it..........and a diff gear, but it never stops:rolleyes:


"I love my Durango" as what Fraser would say.

[associatedracer1]

Im not going to appologize for any of my comments or actions, I am passionate about this hobby and can't stand the first impression some people get about it from reading all the dribble on here alot of the time from people who don't ever roll up to a race meeting. I am comfortable knowing everything I have done has always been in the bes interest of the hobby quite often to my own detriment.

[sleek]

I fear my standards will be far to high for those concerned :D

The same standards that can't tell the difference between an Entry form and a State Championship Event application form ?? Just curious

[DrM]

Sleek - good call. Though I fear it subtlety may be lost in this arena. ;)

Associatedracer1 - We can only do what we can. Let us see if the Phantom arrives in Bunbury. ;)


Other than that - I've had an absolute gutful of this forum, not just this thread. Hope those that can work out "useful contribution" from "timewasters" do so and also leave this forum. This hobby is not big enough worldwide, let alone Aust wide, let alone state wide to allow the continual dribble to be posted here and put off potential RACERS.


Dan Robins, signing off.

[golumn]

Entry List as of 07/10/2011, Please check your transponder numbers

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4wd Stock

<TABLE style="WIDTH: 252pt; BORDER-COLLAPSE: collapse" border=0 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=336 x:str><COLGROUP><COL style="WIDTH: 252pt; mso-width-source: userset; mso-width-alt: 12288" width=336><TBODY><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 252pt; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" height=17 width=336>Matt Webb - 8147697</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" height=17>Paul Aranyanak - 8678587</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" height=17>Peter Suckling - 6655523</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
Chris Tyres
Ian Silfo





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Aaron Brunning - Club Transponder
Brandon Brunning - Club Transponder


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2wd Open


</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" height=17></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" height=17>Michael McDonnell - 5584157</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" height=17>Colin Simpson - 5756012</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" height=17>Gavin Suckling - 5295325</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" height=17>Richard Whitehead - 6765423</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" height=17>Tod Trower</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" height=17>Darren Johnson - 9660239</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" height=17>Alex Yapp</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" height=17>Daniel Robins - 4955492</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" height=17>Josh Pain</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" height=17>Mike Keyes
<TABLE style="WIDTH: 226pt; BORDER-COLLAPSE: collapse" border=0 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=301 x:str><COLGROUP><COL style="WIDTH: 226pt; mso-width-source: userset; mso-width-alt: 11008" width=301><TBODY><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 226pt; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" height=17 width=301>Dale Smulders</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>







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Brent Thomas - 5008097






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<TABLE style="WIDTH: 226pt; BORDER-COLLAPSE: collapse" border=0 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=301 x:str><COLGROUP><COL style="WIDTH: 226pt; mso-width-source: userset; mso-width-alt: 11008" width=301><TBODY><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 226pt; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" height=17 width=301>Gavin Suckling - 8099266</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" height=17>Josh Pain</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" height=17>Mike Keyes</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" height=17>Daniel Robins - 6856746</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8" height=17>Darren Johnson - 4677791
Colin Simpson - 3819817



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Nick Bailey







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[z00m]

Other than that - I've had an absolute gutful of this forum, not just this thread. Hope those that can work out "useful contribution" from "timewasters" do so and also leave this forum. This hobby is not big enough worldwide, let alone Aust wide, let alone state wide to allow the continual dribble to be posted here and put off potential RACERS.


Dan Robins, signing off.

You better hand in your internet connection as well Dan; If you can't work out the difference yourself or are afraid of other people's opinions then the internet isn't for you.

It takes all kinds......even your kind.

[sleek]

Not that I actually expected any different, but it's good to see the two top officials of the sports state body avoid the question and attack the person asking and basically lie. Your suggestion/sarcasm about the names being on the form is nothing more than that.

Keep up the good work, you two make a great team. I'll be spectating btw seeing as I'm in the area that weekend.


ZOOM

FYI

The above quote is not an opinion. In fact in legal terms it is called defamation. It was not prefaced by a statement such as "in my opinion", It was presented as fact. Calling someone a liar is a pretty serious allegation to make. I know I would be fairly PO'd if someone (especially someone who choses to remain anonymous) levelled this allegation at me. The facts are, the question was not ignored. No lies were told. The names of the officials have to be on the Application to AARCMCC. NOT the entry form. This in fact is what was being referred to in the reply. If this was any more than a lazy mean spirited pot shot for the sake of it, this would have been realized.

If anyone has any SERIOUS objections to the way things have been done, the correct way to voice your concern is to contact either the host club via the email provided or Aarccmcc. I'd be very interested to know if anyone has done this as yet. No one HAS to answer ANY public questions on this forum in a "transparent" fashion according to the rules.

In the mean time - have fun promoting the hobby we all enjoy. It is plainly obvious some of us do more than others.

[z00m]

Sleek, FYI to you too, I think scrutiny of Rob's statement about 'everything he has ever done is in the best interest of the sport' would not hold up in court as being true. 'Everything' is a very broad statement and I'm sure witness accounts would put at least a few holes in that statement.

It would therefore be very difficult to prove defamation if Rkin's statement that he lied might hold some truth.

Anyhoo, that's the kind of dribble I'm sure those guys are referring to, and my point earlier was that if people think everything on the internet is the truth, then they have some development still to come.

The other part of the point is there are very few people that are without blemish on their behaviour in regard to this hobby, and we should all keep that in mind when lecturing others about their behaviour.

I do agree though that Rkin's statements, for me, are worthless as no-one knows who they are.

[Bozzspeed]

Can anyone answer this very simple question logically?

Why are threads about up coming events started?



Richie,

I would be very careful before you start throw the word Defamation around. From Rkin post he has not state what was being lied about, so i would be hard to prove.


Yes, we have asked AARCMCC twice back in August.
link (http://www.rctech.net/forum/9531612-post3950.html)
link (http://www.rctech.net/forum/9594884-post3989.html)

and Gav has been asked in early posts, but has elected not to reply. Nor anyone else. So, your says that if we copy some of the questions posted on here and email them to the club, that they would be answered?:confused:


From the look of it, Rkin is a little confused who he should be directing his questions to A/. the host club or B/. the WAORMA committee.

[RkinRcer]

Hahaha. I literally laughed out loud, comedy gold at it's best. Its like being in primary scool again 10 years ago, Defamation on the Internet, haha i'm still smiling is your dad going to sue my dad.
Good one Richard, you're always a barrel of laughs.

Anyway, I got told to pull my head in so before I get banned I'll bid you all adieu.

[golumn]

Boz, The questions were answered once i got the information confirmed.

Anyway, Day three of the track re-build is about to commence. Ill post up some photos this afternoon.

At this stage, We may be running a practice meet next sunday, again ill let everyone know this afternoon.

[BigTod]

sounds like a road trip down to bunbury next Sunday....:fonzie:

[sleek]

Can anyone answer this very simple question logically?

Why are threads about up coming events started?



Richie,

I would be very careful before you start throw the word Defamation around. From Rkin post he has not state what was being lied about, so i would be hard to prove.


Yes, we have asked AARCMCC twice back in August.
link (http://www.rctech.net/forum/9531612-post3950.html)
link (http://www.rctech.net/forum/9594884-post3989.html)

and Gav has been asked in early posts, but has elected not to reply. Nor anyone else. So, your says that if we copy some of the questions posted on here and email them to the club, that they would be answered?:confused:


From the look of it, Rkin is a little confused who he should be directing his questions to A/. the host club or B/. the WAORMA committee.

Fair enough Boz, I was more referring to the issue of non-racing officials being on the entry form, as I knew that wasn't right. I apologise for confusing the two issues by picking up something that was actually in reference to the tire issue. I hadn't paid much attention to that as I thought that had sorted itself, and most of it I think went on before I even decided to enter, my mistake. It is good that you have followed the proper channels. As for the Event Threads, maybe you're right, I just always thought that they were more to promote the event.

Rkin - glad to lighten your day ! can and does happen (albeit yes in waaaay more extreme issues than this.)

Anyway, see you all at the States, I'm looking forward to trying to dodge that 11th spot in 4wd :)

[golumn]

Guys, keep the entries coming in, see the entry list on page 17.

Here are a couple of photo`s of the track

[z00m]

Is that a little down-ramp I see after the large roller in the middle section (after the tripples)?

Is there any chance of painting white lines on top of the jumps to mark the peak like they do in the states?

[golumn]

Mike, yeah it is a little down-ramp. makes that roller fairly interesting now.

Yes we will be painting the tops of the jumps, it is very hard to see the peaks at the moment.

[Big Kev]

[QUOTE=At this stage, We may be running a practice meet next sunday, again ill let everyone know this afternoon.[/QUOTE]

Hey Gav
Any updates on sunday pratice meet

[golumn]

Kev,

Yes we will be running a practice event on sunday, gates will be open by 7am, racing by 9.30am.

If everyone who is thinking about heading down on sunday, could you please e-mail me your intentions to race. E-Mail to pgsracing@westnet.com.au your name, class and transponder number

Cheers.

Gav

[golumn]

If anyone is interested in running any of the stock classes or CORR Truck for the state titles, can you please e-mail an entry form through. Dave, Matt, Kev and Paul, Ill give you guys a call at some stage today.

Cheers,Gav

[turkey hunter]

I live on RC tech and this is the first time ive known of the state titles event, why hasn't someone posted it up on rctech ?
Bit late in the game for me to be sorting stuff now.

[obzELiTe]

guess rctech is seen as east coast based, specially when mods didnt even pin the national off road event when asked too.

[z00m]

I live on RC tech and this is the first time ive known of the state titles event, why hasn't someone posted it up on rctech ?
Bit late in the game for me to be sorting stuff now.

Never too late!! Just get it together and box on.

[fatbear]

I live on RC tech and this is the first time ive known of the state titles event, why hasn't someone posted it up on rctech ?
Bit late in the game for me to be sorting stuff now.

E-mail your entry in. I am sure you will be fine.

[golumn]

Turkey Hunter,

You still have time to enter, just e-mail the form through to pgsracing@westnet.com.au and go see the boys at ryper hobbies for your tyres.

[mugen maniacs]

Guys,

Entry form attached.

Tyres for the event are:

2wd, Rear - AKA Re-Bar Super Soft with Red Closed Cell Insert, Open front tyre.
4wd, Front and Rear - AKA Re-Bar Super Soft with Red Closed Cell Insert.
Truck - JConcepts Double D - Green Compound with Standard Insert.

Track re-build will be taking place in the next few weeks.

Gav.

Guys does this mean that you have to run AKA red closed insert and if you do do they have to be inspected at scrutineering at the event prior to being glued up?:confused:

[golumn]

Mugen Maniacs,

Yes you do have to run the AKA Red closed insert.

Tyres can be pre-glued. They will be inspected during the day.

If any suspect tyres are found, we will carfully peel back one edge of the tyre to ensure the correct insert is bieng used.

[golumn]

Guys,

The track will be open from lunchtime on thursday for any people wanting to practice.

The weather gods dont look to be smiling on us, lucky the track can take alot of water.

Any questions dont hesitate to give me a call on 0408 932 436

Cheers

Gav Suckling

[greg]

What are the race times for this event? I may drop down for a gander some time.

[Cody102]

greg, check out the entry form, the times/schedule is on the end of that.

[golumn]

Greg,

Racing usually starts at 9am each morning.

Runs through till about 4pm each afternoon

[greg]

Cheers Fella's.

[z00m]

What time are the gates open tomorrow for practice please?

[golumn]

Mike, gates open at 7:30 for track prep, track should be open by 9

[keyesgood]

pain , takes 2wd open, and breaks track record , 16 laps in 2wd mod , never been done befor now, on aka rebar , super soft

dale smulders , and big tod , allso very fast on the day, and micky d,


alittle rain but we are all enjoying it,


some pics

[Kai]

what about truck?

[Willo76]

Pretty sure it ended up Josh, Darren, Colin

[Dags]

A lipo charging in chassis at state titles.... Naughty naughty. lol

[Painy]

A lipo charging in chassis at state titles.... Naughty naughty. lol

you can see a lipo towel keeping it safe.

[fatbear]

A lipo charging in chassis at state titles.... Naughty naughty. lol

Don't you guys know anything. That battery is hooked up to a special battery conditioning device that immediately gives it 10% more power. The charging has already been done.:)

[z00m]

Unfortunately for Darren it was connected backwards and was sucking the power out!!!

[z00m]

Seriously though, thanks to the organisers for a well run and enjoyable event.

Well done to Josh for another trophy fest; if he painted his bodies in something other than plain white maybe he could win the concourse as well!!

[Dags]

you can see a lipo towel keeping it safe.

Gotta get me some of those towels.... lol

[Bozzspeed]

I thought you went out and brought one of those new LiPo tent's. :D

[turkey hunter]

results posted anywhere ?

[Willo76]

Results from day 1 are available here: http://www.freewebs.com/carinerccc/2011%20States/Print_Meet_Report.html

Day 2: http://www.freewebs.com/carinerccc/2011%20States%20Day%202/Print_Meet_Report.html